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I can see how Robertson fits in that criteria, but I've never really understood why Dobson is so despised by the irreligious.

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He founded Focus on the Family.That's why.

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And to think, they should be listening to the tirades of Michael Moore.

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Huh? That's no response, you can do better.You asked who cares about what Dobson, Falwell, and the like think. Can it be that you are unaware that the NeoCons in the republican party have been pandering to the religious right in order to win elections?

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I voted for neither. But I did have the fortune of meeting John Kerry and telling him that he and his running mate had better hair than his opposition. He was visibly irritated and walked away from me to shake the hands of his supporters.

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Well, if you voted for Bush, you voted for people who have imposed their religious views on me and my friends.And I don't blame Kerry for being irritated. It was a rather vapid thing to say to a serious man.

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Nothing forces you to live as I do.

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Oh? Can I legally get married to another woman?

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But if that really were the case, wouldn't that imposition be the same for me?

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Well, yes, but you don't see it as an imposition because you already choose to live like that.

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I see it as them trying to pass laws that protect its citizens. Even the most liberal of Democrats wants that. We just differ in our opinion of what we best support and defend its citizens.

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I thought Conservatives were supposed to be all about less government interference in citizen's lives?Why is the gender of my fiancee the government's business?

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Take a little child who has formal understanding of right or wrong, or even death, down to the clinic and let them watch it. Would they not be horrified?

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Take them to watch abdominal surgery or a heart bypass operation and the reaction will probably be similar.Why don't you take them to watch a woman dying of complications from pregnancy? Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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Most pro-abortion supporters take a nuanced, "relative" view of abortion. Most will certainly concede that abortion is itself unpleasant, but they nevertheless argue that a woman must have the right to control her own reproductive capability.

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Please don't refer to the movement as "pro-abortion". I am not "pro-abortion". I am "pro-life", but I also support a woman's right to control her own body.Pro-Legalized Abortion and Anti-Legalized Abortion are the least value-laden, emotional terms to use, and I think that terms are important. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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We already know his sense of humor about his own military is about as funny as a swift kick to the genitals.

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He never disparaged his own military.Also, he never sent them into battle underequipped, undermanned, and with no clear strategy for how to get them out.

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Aside from which, can I marry a little boy or girl? Can I marry my dog? Are the forces of oppression working against me?

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What part of "consenting adult" do you have trouble understanding?

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Being physically disgusted at the sight of blood and internal organs is not the same as recognizing when a person is being killed.

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Ah, now you are moving the goalposts.

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The child may associate bloody knives with killing the wo/man on the table until told what surgery is.

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Maybe.

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Can you explain little severed heads coming out of the birth canal as just apart of surgery?

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Most abortions are performed in the first trimester when the embryo is around an inch and a half long. Nobody's going to see "severed heads coming out of the birth canal" during a typical abortion.

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You've mentioned this specious argument before which can only make me conclude that pregnancy terrifies you. Perhaps you should do yourself a favor and just never procreate.

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What, you don't think women die from pregnancy?From the Wiki: According to my math and after looking up some numbers, almost 700 women died from complications of child birth in the US in 2002. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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If you believe there are no such things as universal standards, and in fact morals are relative, then you will have to concede that "consenting adult" is not a true absolute criteria and the situations he is describing could be considered equally valid.

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I'd rather talk about reality than philosophical la-la lands."Consenting adult" in the culture and society we live in, right here in the US, right now in the 21st century, has a pretty firm meaning.If there are universal morals or not is irrelevant to the discussion on gay marriage, IMO.

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I knew a Pentecostal man in the States who used to do that. He'd go out in the wee hours with other members of his 'home church' and daub oil on doorframes.

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Anyone know why do they do this? I confess my own idea of a Wesson Oil party is a little different.

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Well, I wonder if they "bless" the oil, thereby making it a magical substance, and then smear it on doorframes to offer some kind of protection to the people who live there?It reminds me of what the Jews did for the first Passover.

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A relativistic code is more 'realistic' only in the sense that anyone at anytime can just make up whatever code they want and call it their pie in the sky.

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All people do this anyway.The point is, there are social consequences to behavior for everyone, regardless of the behavior allowed or prevented by their moral code.My moral code may say that it's OK for me to walk around, punching random people in the face, but how far do you think I'm going to get in life doing that?Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.