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Author Topic:   A question of intelligence Great debate with NYCboy,Mike the Wiz and NosyNed
NewYorkCityBoy
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Message 1 of 16 (361681)
11-04-2006 9:52 PM


Why are humans the only really intelligent beings on the planet Earth capable of creating citys,technology,etc.
(please dont say that chimps,apes,dolphins,parrots,dogs,cats,etc are intelligent. Because yes they are very smart, but im talking about a very highly developed language, very highly developed tools, math,science,etc. Because yes i know that dolphins can communicate with their sonar and chimps can learn a few hundred words in sign language and parrots can learn a few hundred words, but im talkin about a highly developed language such as english. And i know that chimps can use twigs to stick in ant piles, and leafs to soak up water, but im talkin about sophisticated tools. And please dont say that they would never need math or science to survive, but if you use that logic and you belive in evolution then you would relize that humans do not need math or science to survie and catch food it just helps and makes life easier. If animals could use math and science then they would have developed it just like humans did.

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NewYorkCityBoy
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Message 5 of 16 (361839)
11-05-2006 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by mike the wiz
11-05-2006 10:24 AM


Re: Amazing Traits
"First of all, I don't think we are the only intelligent beings. I think we are the only ones with human intelligence. But why can only termites build these":
i think that a human could build that they just would not want to. thats not a unique building designed by an arquitect its a dirt mound made by natural instincts.
"To expand on this approach: we slowly, over time, evolved a bigger brain, and the more we communicated, the better for our survival it was. This is why bigger brains with communicative skills, progressed. Social communication in groups enables them to be somewhat like an efficient team. Almost like a squad, protecting one another. Slowly, through time, natural selection acting on random mutations, led to us developing better and more intelligent complete sentience."
dolphins have even bigger brains than humans and they use sonnar to communicate. they also travel in pods and protect one another. most parts of their brains r just as developed as humans brains and in some parts like the cerebellum is 40% bigger than a humans and much more highly developed, and yet there still not nearly as smart as humans. why not?
Edited by NewYorkCityBoy, : spelling

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NewYorkCityBoy
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Message 8 of 16 (362009)
11-05-2006 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by NosyNed
11-05-2006 7:41 PM


Re: The relevance?
There are signs that we are either too smart or not smart enough for our own good.
by this do mean that we are smart enough to as "why"? but not smart enough to answer it, for the big questions at least?
As a species we are pretty well certain (but technology might have an override on this) going to be extinct sometime. The only question that is interesting evolotionarily is while we have decendant species or not.
did u mean the only question is "will" we have decendant species? and if that is wat u meant, and evolution is true, wouldnt it be near immposible for humans to evolve since there are no longer a truley completly isolated group of humans that still need to use most of there time looking for food. and we r already at the top of the food chain and there really is no more evolving we could do since life for the most part is no longer hard for us.

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NewYorkCityBoy
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Message 12 of 16 (362039)
11-05-2006 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by AdminJar
11-05-2006 9:06 PM


Re: Question on the topic.
yeah i probably dont know enough about the subject to really "debate" it, without looking like an idiot at least, but i just wanted to hear some smart people try and answer that question.
So far the question of what is needed for technology hasn't really been addressed. For example, could a creature without grasping appendages have technology? How are cities different than Prairie Dog villages?
anyways its very hard to compare dolphins to humans brains since they have a very different brain structure. but i heard that if dolphins and whales had hands then they would have under water civilizations. i dont know if this theory is true r not since buildin underwater civilization would be much diff than a land one, cause of diff resources, not as much gravity,etc.
i think that prarie dog villages, although massive and impressive r nothing commpared to a human city, like for example Nyc, which has much more developed arquetecture,sewage system,electronic technology,etc. but it probably is more comparable to a termite mound, or a bees nest
Where is the line on technology? Is chipping flint considered technology? If so, would the Bonobo nut breaking rock and anvil qualify as technology since they bring tools (rocks suitable for them to use) to the much larger anvil rock?
i think that chipping flint is considered primative technology yes.
when they use the rocks to crack nuts, they dont really "make" the tool they only "use" the tool so i wouldnt consider it as remarkable as chipping flint, which im not sure but ive never really heard of a chimp or a bonbo doing.

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NewYorkCityBoy
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Message 15 of 16 (363330)
11-12-2006 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by NosyNed
11-10-2006 12:19 PM


Re: Bump for NYC
nope, just havent been on for a couple of days.
anyways if yall dont care, i wanted to know if yall wanted to discuss some other stuff on this thread. I saw a special on the discovery channel bout Noah's Ark, and this is what is was about...
New scientific studies have shown that if you dont take the bible in its "literalle" meaning then the Great Flood very likely happened. Every thousand years the Mesopotamia valley inbetween the tigris and the eufrates river floods. (and there is geological evidence to prove this.) Once a millinea the rains come to this desert and it rains for weeks and months. Now there are theories that Noah was a acutally a rich merchant that had many boats.(of coarse none as big as in the Bible, because supposidely a ship that big made out of wood would leak alot and then fail, and break under the great weight and pressure.) But when the floods came he gathered all of his family and all the animals he could find. He would have tied all of his many small boats together to make an average sized boat.(probably 20-40ft long) and when the mesopotamia valley flooded it would have looked like the earth flooded to the people living there since they would not have been able to see land. Then he would have probably have floated into the persian gulf and then onto an african island where him and his family would live out the rest of there lives. Ancient scribes would have written about this great flood and Noah, and it would probably be Exaggerated a little each time it was told or rewritten. Once it was written into the bible it was different than the original story, but the moral is the same.
What do yall think about this? u think it could be true?
Edited by AdminPD, : Paragraphs

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