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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
no. read the paper. the effect lasts until the next day. in other words. instead of committign a violent offence, they go out to the movies and then go home to bed like the rest of us.
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
I'm not saying that this is the case, I'm simply saying it's not self-evident that more openness toward pornography in general causes a lower sex crime rate. I agree. On the other hand, I think it does show that high availability of porn does not contribute towards increased rate of sex attacks. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the bug and some days you'll be the windscreen."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
You are forgetting that a great deal of rape is motivated by a desire to have power over another person and to degrade and humiliate them. A good deal, that's true. But not all of it. Why can't people accept the fact that some men rape because of sheer sexual frustration. How many times have we read of rapists who lived all their lives with their parents and never had a girlfriend until one day they snap and start stalking the local Hooters girl ? One of the links supplied by brennakimi in the OP supports the theory that rape is not always about power, but somtimes just about sex. IMHO anything that can act as a sexual release valve for some people, while not harming anyone else, is a good thing. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the bug and some days you'll be the windscreen."
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AnswersInGenitals Member (Idle past 151 days) Posts: 673 Joined: |
IMHO anything that can act as a sexual release valve for some people, while not harming anyone else, is a good thing. This was also Jocelyn Elders' humble opinion, but it got her fired. She was Clinton's surgeon general until she recommended that high school boys try masturbation instead of impregnating high school girls, but the religious right, who understand these things better than the rest of us, raised such a stink that Clinton fired her. One of his few cowardly acts. So my question is: Why do so many religions and societies frown upon, discourage, outlaw, or even criminalize masturbation when it is known to be such a health activity, not only for the individual doing it, but for society as a whole when it suffers fewer unwanted pregnancies and rape? I can understand why there are such strong proscriptions against marital infidelity, given that child rearing is such a labor intense enterprise. But why against masturbation, which is healthy, universal, and harms no one? Do any almanacs list masturbation indices for various countries so that we can compare them to sexual and violent crime rates? Did Ted Haggard ever participate in a circle jerk? (Or does he insist that he just watched?) One would think that society would strongly encourage masturbation, even have whackathons for jesus and things like that. (See! Even my spell checker doesn't recognize 'whackathon'.) As long as we're on the topic, why if you are right handed does masturbating with your left hand seem so awkward? Its really the simplest of actions. 1)Close fist. 2)Pump. Its not like your playing harmony on the piano or fingering a riff of battling banjos. Know of any research in this area? I'm sure that if we try, we can find an evolution vs. creationism tie in to all this. Regards, AnInGe
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Why do so many religions and societies frown upon, discourage, outlaw, or even criminalize masturbation when it is known to be such a health activity, not only for the individual doing it, but for society as a whole when it suffers fewer unwanted pregnancies and rape? that's a good point. I think wrt mainstream Christianity it's to do with the self-loathing required to believe that Jesus died for your past and future sins. I sincerely think that if St Paul had the occasional one off-the-wrist the Christian church would have been a much more mellow and pragmatic affair.
Did Ted Haggard ever participate in a circle jerk? (Or does he insist that he just watched?)
I believe he put it in his mouth but didn't inhale (or was that Clinton?)
As long as we're on the topic, why if you are right handed does masturbating with your left hand seem so awkward? For the same reason you don't toss pancakes with your left hand: you'll often going to miss the pan and you'll end up with a sticky, gooey mess all over your shoes. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the bug and some days you'll be the windscreen."
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Uh, never? Sorry, I just don't hear about this kind of person being a rapist. You don't need to rape someone to relieve sexual frustration. Ever. That's what masturbation is for. Some rapes are crimes of opportunity; "she passed out on the frat house couch" and the like. If someone rapes another person, it is never, ever only about sexual gratification. It is about taking something from someone that is not freely offered.
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tudwell Member (Idle past 5979 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
Some are just misunderstandings. A couple of people get drunk, have sex, one of them decides later they didn't really want to have sex, and so says the other raped them. Date rape. But those are probably only a minority of rape cases. (Actually I have no clue.)
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: That's not date rape. Date rape is when a couple of people start fooling around, one of them says no and resists going further, and the other one doesn't stop.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
ot. this is for discussion, not old jokes.
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I spent a semester sharing an office with a victim of date rape. It was emotionally devastating for me, and I was just someone who shared the office with her; imagine what it was like for her.
I really should feel offended, but instead I just feel so...tired.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
quote: That's not date rape. actually, it is, in this state. it's also statutory rape if you buy a woman 50% or more of her alcohol consumption for the night. agreement at the time is apparently irrelevent, especially if alcohol is involved.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
What state is that?!?
Do you happen to have a citation? Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
florida, and actually, i'm looking for one. i might be mistaken. technically,
quote: you have to get her to drink (to an undefined point of incapacity) without her consent, or without her knowledge. meaning if she's not aware of how drunk she is... i think in reality, and in court, you'll find that simply being intoxicated to a certain degree renders a person unable to legally give consent, and thus it's statutory rape. buying a person alcohol to get them to this point just looks incredibly suspicious. see for instance, the uf police's advice:
quote: quote: or johnson and wales:
quote: date rape cases are very, very tricky to argue either way, and this is one of the reasons. the only reason the "i changed my mind the next morning" matters is because the person is then sober -- and because they have to object to actually bring a case. having sex with someone without their informed and non-intoxicated consent is always rape. Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
quote: in other words, if you want to have sex with a woman who had a couple you need to bring in Henry Kissinger to negotiate the agreement and the UN to supervise the act itself. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the bug and some days you'll be the windscreen."
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
in other words, if you want to have sex with a woman who had a couple you need to bring in Henry Kissinger to negotiate the agreement and the UN to supervise the act itself. What, your dick is so important that it's an international crime if it isn't allowed inside a woman? Seriously, I don't understand your perspective. How often do you really think it's going to happen where: 1) a woman you don't know at all is interested in having sex with you;2) she's so drunk she can't legally consent, but 3) she's sober enough that you don't notice. Or is it just that you think you're above the requirement to use your judgement? The requirement that one secure explicit, meaningful consent before having sex with someone hardly seems like an onerous burden. I hadn't realized that a man's right to fuck was so sacrosanct that no such burden could possibly be borne.
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