ID/Creationism - Comparison of Human and Chimp Genomes

Ice cream tastes good. But then that's not in the Bible, so I guess it cannot be true.

Good. You shouldn't be convinced on the first day.By next week some time you should be convinced. People who say that usually don't know much about the Bible either. C'mon over to Bible Inaccuracy and Errancy, Bible Study, Faith and Belief, etc. and learn something there too.

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Please, can i have some opinions on what i wrote there. I think its all true, but then again i might have some of it wrong, after all im new to this site. and yall r right i take back what i said about if its not in the bible then it cnt be right.

Since the topic here is human/chimp genomes: Why do you think being "smarter" is related to the similarites in our genomes? My brother and I have almost identical DNA, yet I can build much bigger and better cities than he can.(By the way, I believe ducks are the chosen ones. They're much smarter than humans. For one thing, they have the sense to fly south for the winter.)

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Highly developed in what way? The most recent research actually suggests that much of the dolphins large brain is composed of fatty glial cells which act to maintain its brains temperature. Are you actually basing this on anything scientific? This is true but we haven't both been in the same environment over all that time and have therefore been under different selective pressures. If we did have a close relative with an equivalent level of intelligence we'd probably have killed it off, either directly or by competition for the same resources as has been proposed to be the fate of the neanderthals.TTFN,WK

see this website:Cetacean intelligence - Wikipedia"We found that relative cerebellum size is significantly greater in the two dolphin species than in any of the primates, including humans. These results suggest that there is possibly expansion of brain structures independent of strictly allometric processes.""For example dolphins have a cerebral cortex which is about 40% larger a human being's. Their cortex is also stratified in much the same way as a humans(1). The frontal lobe of dolphins is also developed to a level comparable to humans. In addition the parietal lobe of dolphins which "makes sense of the senses" is larger than the human parietal and frontal lobes combined (1). The similarities do not end there, most cetaceans have large and well developed temporal lobes which contain sections equivalent to Broca's and Wernicke's areas in humans (1).Another major difference between primate and cetacean brains is that the primate brain favors the motor cortex, while "the cetaceans greatly favor the sensory region (and are not very balanced at all between the two)" (1). In the final measure of brain complexity, neural density dolphins also measure up quite favorable to humans. In certain areas of the brain concerned with "emotional control, objectivity, reality orientation, humor, logically consistent abstract thought and higher creativity" dolphins have an higher ratio of neural density(1). This seems to be correlated with dolphins ability to maintain a healthy emotional state while in captivity; humans in analogous situations often don't fair as well emotionally."
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'Cos we got there first and colonized the niche.(To be precise, Neanderthals were also quite clever, but when H. sapiens reached Europe we displaced them.Being technological top dog is really a one species niche. Bigger, yes. More highly developed, obviously not, or they'd be smarter than us, that's what highly developed means. Again, obviously not. Otherwise they would be more intelligent than us.You might want to look up the phrase "encephelization quotient". No, humans are. We also have a common ancestor with elephants, if you go back far enough, so why aren't our noses that big?Answer: different lineages adapt to different niches. In the first place, do not speak disparagingly about "monkey see, monkey do"; this is something only the smartest animals can do. A rat, for example, cannot learn how to solve a puzzle by watching another rat solving it, nor, even more remarkably, can it learn how to solve a puzzle by having its paws guided through the necessary motions.In the second place, it is simply false to claim that apes are resticted to imitative learning and instinct.Consider this experiment. Chimps were showed how to open a box containing food. The workings of the box were transparent, so the chimp could see what the human instructor was doing. Some of the human instructor's actions were not directed towards opening the box, and the chimp could see that, because the box was transparent. The chimpanzees copied the instructior omitting the unnecessary actions.Monkey see, monkey reason, monkey do something more rational than what monkey saw.

"Every part of the brain that has to do with intelligence such as memmory,emotions,etc is more highley developed in a dolphins brain then in a humans.Again, obviously not. Otherwise they would be more intelligent than us."
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actually the cerebellum is more highly developed and many other parts r just as developed or almost as developed. but it is hard to compare them since a primate and a water animal have very different brain structures."In the first place, do not speak disparagingly about "monkey see, monkey do"; this is something only the smartest animals can do. A rat, for example, cannot learn how to solve a puzzle by watching another rat solving it, nor, even more remarkably, can it learn how to solve a puzzle by having its paws guided through the necessary motions."
quote by Dr.Adequateactually when a rat comes across a new food it will not eat it unless it sees another rat eat it. and rats can learn to solve puzzels, for example they can go through a maze and each time they do the same maze they get faster at it.ps how do u make those boxes around the quotesEdited by NewYorkCityBoy, : grammer

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I'm not sure what you mean by "highly developed". Do you mean mere size, or some other consideration? However, they cannot learn to solve a puzzle by watching another rat (which has already learnt to solve the puzzle) solve the puzzle.What you describe sounds like a survival instinct, though it must break down occasionally or rats wouldn't be such successful irban omnivores. (Someone tell Richard Dawkins --- rats have memes too!)Rats can of course learn to solve puzzles, they're famous for it, but my point was that they can't learn to solve them by imitation. Rats don't reason, and all their learning must be done by trial and error.

Neither is the internal combustion engine, electronic computers, space shuttles, aeroplanes. Are those equally as untrue as you claim evolution to be?Not to mention the Americas, Antarctica, soda pop, Johnny Cash! Don't say he's fake!
J0N

I don't know what to say... but this post and the grammar used within makes me wonder if all humans actually are as "higherly" intelligent as you claim J0NEdited by Jon of the Future, : Added Quoted Message

stop bringin that quote up. i said i was wrong, wat more do u want?

Wow, i had a few TYPOS, big deal, you can still understand it.

Right. However, you keep arguing against evolution using the same Creationist crap as before. Now you said: You retracted the second part, so all we have is "it all sounds good." If it all sounds good, then why do you keep arguing it? I mean, you must realize that the anthill of crap that you've been taught about the natural world by Bible-toatin' instructors doesn't stand a chance against the mountain of evidence in favour of evolution.Now, I don't think anyone here's blaming you for the misunderstanding, so there's no need to be defensive. I just feel that you should stop looking to the same old sources for your information. Those sources are put out there by the people who think that it cannot be true if it isn't in the Bible. And since you are no longer one of thost people, maybe you could come aboard and look at the world through the eyes of logic and science .J0N