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Author Topic:   Judges 19 - Sickest story in the bible
Nighttrain
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Message 106 of 120 (255915)
10-31-2005 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by riVeRraT
10-31-2005 5:50 PM


Re: What God gave us
This is not my field of expertise. Has there ever been bones found with cancer on them?

Hi, RR, the info regarding ancient cancers seems to be inconclusive. While the Croatian study of 4000 skeletons found little signs, the mean age of 36 years at death might have precluded the advance of cancer.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0713_040713_skeletoncancer.html

While another examination of Egyptian mummies might trend the other way.

http://www.earthchangestv.com/breaking/April_Part2_2001/0423mummies.htm

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Guido Arbia
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Message 107 of 120 (255918)
10-31-2005 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Yaro
09-08-2005 4:30 PM


This story seems to me, to merely state that, sin has natural consiquences.

If I stick a pencil up your ass, won't you attack me, and beat the living shit out of me?

So wheather or not the abuser or murderer was punished for his action (as RECORDED in the bible) does not matter. Because one sin, brought forth another sin, which cancel out the originally committed the sin. The new sin, will bring forth a chain reaction of more sins, that will naturally punish that sin.

In modern days, the fear of being caught after a crime seems to punish the sin committed, and then the person is caught (ussually I think) and executed. So the person is punished. It is only natural that sins get punished.

It is unfortinate though, that people, seemingly totally innocent, get caught up in all of this crap.

And since one sin, can be against a totally innocent person, than it is only natural that it can bring forth other conflicts that lead to the mishaps of other innocent people.

Imagine if we just all began forgiving one another, than we wouldn't react to each other sins in such away to make more sins. Than sin will continouslly decrease as long as we just keep forgiving. Now, this cannot really happen on earth these days, but it is just hypathetical, as the murderer will always (ussually) be a murderer, unless he REALLY wants to change REALLY BADLY.


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riVeRraT
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Message 108 of 120 (255922)
10-31-2005 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Funkaloyd
10-31-2005 9:03 PM


Re: The Bible on rape
We have gone over this one before in the forums as well.
There are 5 different meanings to the word rape in the bible.

Just because we don't understand an interpretation, doesn't mean there is no God.

*edit*
Its not the word rape in the verse that drives that law. It's the value of a woman's virginity. There is also much more to that law than just 50 schekels. You were then responsible for that womans saftey and well being for the rest of your life, or you were stoned to death.

In other words, or the way you think, its the rape that lasts a lifetime, lol
I don't think it was a common thing.

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riVeRraT
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Message 109 of 120 (255923)
10-31-2005 10:31 PM
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10-31-2005 9:20 PM


Re: What God gave us
Hey thanks.

I am sure there must have been some cancer. From a biblical stand point it would make sense that hereditary cancer may have stemmed from original sin. But that is only a passing thought, I have nothing to back it up. I also feel like we can be healed from it by God.

To me the Egyptians would have been more likely to get cancer, as they were a more technologically advanced society, and possibly been introducing unGodly cancer causing toxins into their bodies. Just another passing thought.

Either way, I do not like to mix science with the bible, I am not very learned in it, so I don't do well in guessing at things. I do like science, and I do love God. I am not a professional in either.


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Yaro
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Message 110 of 120 (256459)
11-03-2005 8:59 AM


Everyone MUST look at this
http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/gang_rape_and_dismemberment/jg19_01.html

Here is a depiction of the story in Judges 19.


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ringo
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Message 111 of 120 (256544)
11-03-2005 4:58 PM
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11-03-2005 8:59 AM


Re: Everyone MUST look at this
:laugh: I love the Brick Testament (notice the "nudity" and "sexual content" warnings).


People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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Coragyps
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Message 112 of 120 (256548)
11-03-2005 5:53 PM
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11-03-2005 8:59 AM


Re: Everyone MUST look at this
"Second Circumcision" is rather nice, too:
There.
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Christian
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Message 113 of 120 (264841)
12-01-2005 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by ringo
10-03-2005 4:54 PM


Re: righteous Lot
Not that it makes much difference, but that was Peter, not Paul.
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DeclinetoState
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Message 114 of 120 (304492)
04-15-2006 7:21 PM
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11-03-2005 8:59 AM


Judges 19 (Brick Testament and otherwise)
I'm not sure I'd ever want to do a Bible study on Judges 19, but here are some thoughts that I have about the story:
  1. Although there are similarities between it and the story of Lot, his daughters, and the destruction of Soddom and Gomorrah, there are also differences. For example, the Levite mentions that such a thing had not happened since the people had left Egypt (vs 30), a statement not found (nor expected) in the Genesis account.
  2. The purpose of the story seems to be that Israel needed a king: "And it came to pass in those days, when there was no king in Israel . . ." (vs 1; cf 21:25).

Judges is not my favorite book of the Bible. It seems that a lot of bad things happened to good people--and good things to bad people. Like Joshua, it's probably best not to take it too literally.


Never overestimate the intelligence of someone who thinks you're wrong.
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 115 of 120 (304494)
04-15-2006 7:46 PM
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04-15-2006 7:21 PM


Re: Judges 19 (Brick Testament and otherwise)
It seems that a lot of bad things happened to good people--and good things to bad people.

isn't that how life works?


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DeclinetoState
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Message 116 of 120 (304545)
04-16-2006 4:29 AM
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04-15-2006 7:46 PM


Re: Judges 19 (Brick Testament and otherwise)
quote:
It seems that a lot of bad things happened to good people--and good things to bad people.

isn't that how life works?


Yep. I think a lot of people go into the Bible hoping to find examples of good things happening to the good, and bad things happening to the wicked. Judges 19ff isn't one of those places, however, or so it seems.


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Message 117 of 120 (354228)
10-04-2006 4:08 PM


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foxjoe 
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Message 118 of 120 (362318)
11-07-2006 12:18 AM
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10-12-2005 10:28 AM


Re: God doesn't kill little children.
iano: God created us, thus any attribute we have is put into us by him. We might say that what he put into us is equal or usurps what he has/is. But we have no basis for saying that. That we are 'less' than God seems apparent in many ways. There is no reason to think different here.

It seems more and more likely, its the other way around.


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Message 119 of 120 (362319)
11-07-2006 12:19 AM
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10-12-2005 10:34 AM


Re: God doesn't kill little children.
iano: God not being able to do something is not the same as God being restricted by something else from doing something. God cannotlie simply because there is nothing evil in him. Something which has no evil can do no wrong - by his own standard of course. God doesn't set the standard as such. He is it.

By that logic, God couldn't kill children either. But it says he did. Isn't that what we call a conundrum?


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Message 120 of 120 (362320)
11-07-2006 12:21 AM
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11-07-2006 12:19 AM


Re: God doesn't kill little children.
Oh so sorry, I misread. He is really saying that it is OK for God to kill little children. Now why would I want to pray to that SOB?
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