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Annafan Member (Idle past 4605 days) Posts: 418 From: Belgium Joined: |
Robinrohan writes: quote: How very odd. "Considering" it seems to me like something very natural. I can honestly say that I've never taken the possibility serious, or found a reason to take the possibility serious or worth considering. I feel absolutely not emotionally connected to the possibility. So obviously I might ask myself the question "What if He truly exists?" But I don't feel anything when I ask that question. I seem to be so utterly convinced of the fact that it is "unknowable", that the question is meaningless for all practical purposes. The only reasonable reason that I see someone could possibly have, is being uncomfortable with the idea that you have unanswered questions. So instead of saying that you don't know, you attribute it to "God". But I absolutely have no trouble with the idea that there are things that I will never know. It's very hard to imagine anything that would actually convince me. Maybe a sudden complete worldwide peace or something. All I can say is that I will probably only know it, if and when it actually happens, lol.
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DominionSeraph Member (Idle past 4780 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: |
nemesis_juggernaut writes: Anyone that spends gobs of time attempting to refute a Deity seems counter-intuitive and ultimately pointless to me. "Emperor Palpatine wants me to kill your family. As I don't want a Star Destroyer to pay me a visit, I'm gonna have to abide." Give me a good reason why I should reconsider.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5874 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
"Emperor Palpatine wants me to kill your family. As I don't want a Star Destroyer to pay me a visit, I'm gonna have to abide." Give me a good reason why I should reconsider. Well, it appears that you do understand... "If we cut up beasts simply because they cannot prevent us and because we are backing our own side in the struggle for existence, it is only logical to cut up imbeciles, criminals, enemies, or capitalists for the same reasons." (C.S. Lewis)
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6004 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
Maybe God is omni-contradictory.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
"Emperor Palpatine wants me to kill your family. As I don't want a Star Destroyer to pay me a visit, I'm gonna have to abide." Give me a good reason why I should reconsider. Because I'm rockin' like Dokken!!!
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DominionSeraph Member (Idle past 4780 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: |
Rob writes: Well, it appears that you do understand... Yeah, it's not hard to understand why someone faced with such a belief would spend time trying to point out that the Empire doesn't exist.
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foxjoe  Inactive Member |
PurpleYouKo said:
quote: Actually you are incorrect.Science says that if God is irriduciply complex, it is necessary that God can't exist. (depends on your concept of God). If you believe what the cargo cults believe that God is a man that brought cargo and shipped it out (as those cults are in Indonesia), then God does exists. Its just still man made. Edited by foxjoe, : No reason given.
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nwr Member Posts: 6410 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
"Irreducibly complex" isn't really a scientific term. It's a term that creationists and ID proponents have attempted to inject into science. Your argument is really one that the ID proponents should be using against themselves
And a welcome to evcforum for you, too, foxjoe. Regime change in Washington - midterm elections, Nov 7
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foxjoe  Inactive Member |
Yes, I realize it wasn't a scientific term. However after reading "the God delusion" I would have to say that when we speak of scientific philosophy, or scientifically we know that God only exists in the minds of the believers (as a concept, like a circle only exists as a concept).
In fact, as many God's exists as their are believers of IT, if you think about it with purity. Because each molecule in each brain is differe, there can be no true agreement on a concept of God within the the bounds of Christianity, or any other nity. This is plainly demonstrated through the multiplicated denominations, sects, non-denominations in the USA alone. Just something to think about.
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PurpleYouko Member Posts: 714 From: Columbia Missouri Joined: |
foxjoe writes:
Hmm. And there I was thinking that science doesn't actually recognize the existence of "Irreducable Complexity". Science says that if God is irriduciply complex, it is necessary that God can't exist. The point is that if God exists then he does it in a way that science cannot test, measure or even hypothesize about. Even the creationist term "Irreducable complexity" has nothing to say about God. We can't possibly know if he would fit the criteria unless we could test, measure etc. him/her, so we are back to saying nothing aren't we/
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foxjoe  Inactive Member |
Excuse me, but science is has a basis in Logic. Can God create a rock he can't life, are logical conundrums. And based on these philosophies, science\logic\ and philosphy says simply that this particular type of God cannot exist.
So back to reality, God only exists in the thoughts of humans, and maybe other lifeforms that haven't yet been seen.I mean if you can build a spaceship, you can surely have a concept of God. But we americans don't believe in God with 100% certainty even if we do believe. However some Iraqians do demonstrate their belief with 100% certainty. Even as they are wrong. thoughts?
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So back to reality, God only exists in the thoughts of humans, and maybe other lifeforms that haven't yet been seen. The Map is not the Territory. Edited by jar, : No reason given. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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foxjoe  Inactive Member |
You don't need to test God's non-existense. It is demonstrated every day as many millions of African children die each year of many different afflictions.
So proving the absense of a concept, is not too difficult. It just depends on how you define the concept. A really good question would be, do you wish to believe in or worship a God that allows such abominations to exist EVERY DAY. So really where are we now?
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PurpleYouko Member Posts: 714 From: Columbia Missouri Joined: |
You don't need to test God's non-existense. It is demonstrated every day as many millions of African children die each year of many different afflictions.
Excuse me. Are you saying that science doesn't need to test something in order to make a determination? A really good question would be, do you wish to believe in or worship a God that allows such abominations to exist EVERY DAY.
yes that would be a really good question to ask. However it would NOT be a scientific one.All you have here is a big old "Argument from incredulity". A logical falacy. I re-iterate, Science says NOTHING about the existence or non-existence of God. It can't! He doesn't fit into its framework.
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DominionSeraph Member (Idle past 4780 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: |
PurpleYouko writes: I re-iterate, Science says NOTHING about the existence or non-existence of God. It can't! He doesn't fit into its framework. Anything real would fit.Science says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of God because science only deals with things that are relevant. Edited by DominionSeraph, : No reason given.
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