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nator
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Message 301 of 306 (362690)
11-08-2006 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Silent H
11-07-2006 6:25 PM


Re: Spam restarts thread?
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Yeah but once you open the door to "legal issues" why does it get confined to what you want?

Well, I don't know. Maybe design the curriculum content that way?

We are talking about what I would like to see, after all.

quote:
And as far as consent goes, whose concept of that are you going to use?

The legal one, if it exists.


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Silent H
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Message 302 of 306 (362797)
11-09-2006 4:43 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by nator
11-08-2006 5:57 PM


Re: Spam restarts thread?
We are talking about what I would like to see, after all.

I don't want to get into a he said/she said thing. And I don't blame you for not remembering exactly what was going on here (I had to read back through). But it appeared that it was not just what you wanted to see but what you felt would be the best sex ed course.

My argument was, and still is, that a phys discussion will hit all of the necessary points to help anyone in any situation (and of any culture) deal with the full physical repercussions of sexual activity. Thus a relatively uniform set of points can be created and used.

Once one tries to deal with other issues in addition to the physical, one allows cultural biases and loads of extra information in which could swamp the CRITICAL information people MUST have on sexual safety.

This would also include agendas which you might be against. Given that you are in the minority opinion on some of these things (including on legal aspects) it seems odd to recommend a course of action which others would accept and use against you (or your kids at any rate).

The legal one, if it exists.

There is no singular legal concept of consent, much less one that embraces the many faceted nature of claims to "consent".

We don't need to reopen this whole argument and I'd prefer we drop it so I can focus on other (more recent) topics.


holmes
"What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." (D.Bros)
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Jon
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Message 303 of 306 (362817)
11-09-2006 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by nator
11-08-2006 5:50 PM


Re: Spam restarts thread?
Who says I want more abstinence?

I want kinds to have more information so they can make educated choices for themselves.

If they want to abstain or screw like bunnies is up to them.

Really? Because you earlier said abstaning from sex was part of "moral behaviour"

Message 99

...real sex education results in a greater liklihood of moral behavior by teens, as those armed with the truth delay sex longer and indulge in oral and anal sex less...

These don't sound like the words of someone who doesn't care.

But whatever, I don't have the time to reread it all, especially since this will be closed soon. Only to say that someone who doesn't give a damn usually doesn't start an entire thread on the subject ;)

J0N


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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 304 of 306 (362819)
11-09-2006 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by Jon
11-09-2006 8:37 AM


Re: Spam restarts thread?
I used the word "moral" in my reply to Faith in order to work within her definition.

I don't actually share Faith's position.


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Jon
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Message 305 of 306 (362832)
11-09-2006 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 304 by nator
11-09-2006 8:41 AM


Re: Spam restarts thread?
Well, seems a big misunderstanding then. Either way, I hope my responses get through to someone :)

J0N


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Message 306 of 306 (362833)
11-09-2006 9:30 AM


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