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Chiroptera
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Message 5 of 27 (363662)
11-13-2006 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by AnswersInGenitals
11-13-2006 5:20 PM


Well, the seeds of the problem began in the 60s and 70s when the conservative movement (and the GOP in particular) began to unite very different streams like the libertarian capitalists, the corporate protectionists, the religious evangelicals, the national security nationalists, the anti-drug anti-sex paternalists, and even the racists and misogynists. It isn't surprising that once the movement achieved power and finally had to make good on all the promises it had made in the previous 25-30 years; what is surprising to me is that it took 12 years for it to happen. What surprises me even more is that it seems that it wasn't so much that this very strange, unwieldy coalition crumbled, but that the non-ideological "undecided" voters finally decided to cast their votes for the other guys.

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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Chiroptera
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Message 10 of 27 (363718)
11-14-2006 7:48 AM
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11-13-2006 9:18 PM


Hi scraf.
I wasn't so much commenting on the swing voters as expressing amazement that the coalition of different movements that get labeled "conservative" has managed to survive for so long.

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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Chiroptera
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Message 16 of 27 (363767)
11-14-2006 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by jar
11-14-2006 1:11 PM


Not according to US law:
However, in the United States, treaties are equal in stature to legislation. Because of this rule, treaties and statutes can override each other--whichever is latest in time is controlling.

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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Chiroptera
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Message 18 of 27 (363777)
11-14-2006 1:48 PM
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11-14-2006 1:41 PM


That passage contains the phrase
and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof
that is regular Federal law passed by Congress.
This passage doesn't state that treaties take precedence over either the Constitution or Federal Law. It states that all Federal law, which included Constitutional provisions, laws passed by Congress, and treaties ratified by the Senate, take precedence over the individual States' laws.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made...
So, in this regard, the Constitution, regular Federal law, and treaties are of equal stature in overruling any state's laws.

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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