Do atoms confirm or refute the bible?

why would he even have to say "atoms" were created or whatnot, he didnt have to say it, it could be inferred. if God said he created the heavens and the earth that includes atoms and everything.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.Joman

Before the first day consisting of a morning and an evening there existed the heaven and the earth. Heaven being unknown to us. During that period of time the earth was without form and void. It was without form in that God hadn't given the earth structure. Which means that it wasn't a sphere, hadn't any dry land, was without atmosphere and was without oceans. The earth sat in darkness under waters. It sat in a place termed the deep. The deep was filled with waters. Waters; means that there are different kinds of water.
There is in this passage no implication of atomic structure. This is obvious from the fact that the term, "the earth" doesn't equate to the term "earth". The passage doesn't say that, "earth" was without form (structure). It says "the earth" was without form. "The earth" meaning the "earth" as a planetary whole. It is also evident that the earth stands in comparison to heaven within the context of Genesis and the whle Bible.Joman.

The elements are the the atoms and molecules of which things that are seen were made. All things will be dissolved. Which means that all things will be broken down into the elemental parts of which things consist.
The solvent is fire. Dissolve is another word for disintegrate. Integrate is the summing up whereas, disintegrate is to breakdown into formless matter.The heavens will dissolve as a whole.
The elements shall also dissolve.
The atoms will melt. (plasma)
The heat applied will be fervent. (extremely hot)All of these points are rational and in accordance with physics.Joman.

Nature gives man revelations about the creator of it. The purpose of the Bible is to provide a legal document that requires all men to accept or deny by faith belief in it's authorship by God and it's revelatory truth's that can't be in any other way obtained.There exists a fish in the Indian ocean that uses AM and FM radio to see. Anesthetics are the result of natural drugs found in nature. Alchohol is one. God put Adam to sleep when he operated upon him. Which is the first recorded use of an anesthetic.Lightning is electricity and electricity requires a path; that is, a circuit. A decree is a law.
A way is a path or circuit (if the path is a return)The above passaage says that God saw the pathway, was the one to declare it existence (thunder), prepared it (the pathway of lightning is prepared in advance of every lightning stroke) and God searched it out (which means the way of lightning isn't obvious).
Vaccination is merely the use of the already existing natural means for enabling the defensive systems of the body to be educated and strengthened against bacterial enemies of the body. Antibiotics are natural productions of fungi and bacteria. Man's part in it is simply to provide a wise use of these substances that God created.
a little research will show that man has created nothing at all. Man is simply using what has already been defined for him in nature by the God who created all of it as he saw fit to design it.
Internal combustion is nothing new in nature.
God protected the Jews against germs by use of dietary and cleansing laws which reveal his knowledge of them.Joman.

This is an example of extreme ignorance.Joman.

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Can anyone quote a biblical passage that clearly states, or that can be interpreted to state that matter is either continuous or atomic in nature? "Atomic" here means made up of distinct units and includes molecules as well as atoms.

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Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

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So its clear that the Bible, in addition to proving atoms, also proves phlogiston and the luminiferous ether?

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You know, it's probably already answered at An Index to Creationist Claims...
(Equinox is a Naturalistic Pagan -  Naturalistic Paganism Home)

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The Bible has over a half million words - only a couple sentences of those would be needed to tell us about the periodic table, or anesthetics, or radio waves, or electricity, or internal combustion engines, or vaccinations, or antibiotics, or even germs.

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Nature gives man revelations about the creator of it. The purpose of the Bible is to provide a legal document that requires all men to accept or deny by faith belief in it's authorship by God and it's revelatory truth's that can't be in any other way obtained.

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The Bible is a legal document? I thought it was much more than that, a holy communication of God's word about all manner of life and of things in this creation. Are you denigrating the Bible?

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There exists a fish in the Indian ocean that uses AM and FM radio to see. Anesthetics are the result of natural drugs found in nature. Alchohol is one. God put Adam to sleep when he operated upon him. Which is the first recorded use of an anesthetic.

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Wasn’t it God’s power as God that he used to put adam to sleep? Was God so impotent that he needed to use an anesthetic because he couldn’t do it by his own holy power? Aren’t you saying God is as limited as us pathetic humans are by saying that God had to use an anesthetic? And which one do you suppose he used?Oh, and please provide a reference for that fish - and a reason why, if it exists, the Bible doesn’t tell us about it.

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Lightning is electricity and electricity requires a path; that is, a circuit.
Job 28:26 When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder:
28:27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.
A decree is a law.
A way is a path or circuit (if the path is a return)
The above passaage says that God saw the pathway, was the one to declare it existence (thunder), prepared it (the pathway of lightning is prepared in advance of every lightning stroke) and God searched it out (which means the way of lightning isn't obvious).

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Joman gives Job 28:26 from the Bible which he says explains accurate modern science.Others see science in their scripture as well. Some say the Qur’an explains the supernova origin of the elements (41:53), geology (78:6-7), botany (20:53), the solar system (21:33), the water cycle (23:18), and many more. Similar science verses are claimed in Hindu, Buddhist, and other scriptures. The prophecies of Nostrodamus are claimed to predict past and future events, including 9/11. In all of these cases, verses like these convince many people that their scripture must be of divine origin. You can read many different sacred scriptures for free at ISTA - Internet Sacred Text Archive Home. If someone is going to claim that the Bible is from God because it contains accurate science, then they have to explain why God also inspired the Qu'ran, the Vedas, and others.On the other hand, some people are not convinced. They claim that all of these verses are vague enough to be interpreted many ways (read that “lightning” one above). They also point out that the Bible contains over 500,000 words, and the other sacred scriptures are similarly long. It would have only taken a few of those words to clearly describe, say, the periodic table, how to vaccinate a child, the exact date of the Pompeii or Krakatoa eruptions, how to make a telegraph, printing press, bike, or an antibiotic. Any or all of these could have been inspired in a short paragraph in addition to, say, spending 9 chapters on “begats” in the book of Chronicles.If you are one of the people who see modern science in scripture, I hope you can see the similar divinity in the scriptures of other religions. Or you may be one of the people who see these verses as too vague, or you may wonder why a loving, scientifically knowledgeable deity would intentionally keep so much life saving information from us for thousands of years, until humans discovered it using their own science. Either way, we can all find and recognize the verses containing beauty and love. Have a fun day-Edited by Equinox, : minor fix

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-Equinox_ _ _ ___ _ _ _
You know, it's probably already answered at An Index to Creationist Claims...
(Equinox is a Naturalistic Pagan -  Naturalistic Paganism Home)

We'd have to see whether he was omniscient as people claim, or just as clueless as the people thousands of years ago.

well God isnt clueless, God told moses exactly what to write and he did!

From what is written from the bible, it seems he is.Edit: I mean, from what is written, the bible seems to be filled with concepts that humans accepted a few thousand years ago, implying things like a flat Earth and a geocentrical Earth. It seems as if it's not written by an omniscient being at all, in fact, I even find computer games to sometimes be more profound than the bible.Edited by DemonScythe, : No reason given.

is more accurately described as "Just So" stories.Some even make sense when viewed from the perspective of the peoples of the time. Consider the idea of fountains of the deep. When you dig a hole, it often filled with water from the bottom up. Sometimes water even seeped out from the side of hills. Based on this there had to be water under the earth.The same held true of the "Waters Above". It rained and there were no signs of water going back up, so there had to be some mass, a large mass of water that was up there. But since it didn't rain all the time, something had to hold the water up. There had to be some solid dome that had windows in it that could open at times, in different sizes, different places to let the water out. Sometimes they opened a little and you got gentle rain, at other times the windows opened a lot and you got lots of rain.Given the observations they had at the time, the ideas worked. The ideas explained what was seen. The fact that the ideas were not correct or complete is secondary, only as new knowledge was gained could the mistakes be corrected.

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The same held true of the "Waters Above". It rained and there were no signs of water going back up, so there had to be some mass, a large mass of water that was up there. But since it didn't rain all the time, something had to hold the water up. There had to be some solid dome that had windows in it that could open at times, in different sizes, different places to let the water out. Sometimes they opened a little and you got gentle rain, at other times the windows opened a lot and you got lots of rain.

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Really, really good point. And people assumed the night and days were the inner skin of the sky as a hollow ball, and the sky spun around Earth.Edited by DemonScythe, : No reason given.

but the bible doesnt claim the earth to be flat

Yes, it does, with terms like "four corners".And verses like:

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ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

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This implies Earth was in a dome of sorts, by my understanding.

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MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

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From a high mountain, it is impossible to see the other side of Earth, unless Earth is either flat, hollowed in or that you possess a large mirror in space, you will not be able to see all the kingdoms.