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Author Topic:   A general discussion of debate (goals)
Omnivorous
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Message 4 of 57 (364226)
11-16-2006 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by nwr
11-16-2006 9:44 PM


nwr writes:
It seems to me that a lot of time and energy has been wasted on these boards (by myself and others) trying to pose arguments that convince others to agree with our point of view.
I try to convince the creationists.
There are many people who are trying to make sense of the evidence. Some of them are members, and some are lurkers. Those inquirers hear the creationist arguments, and they hear them at other places, not just at evcforum. When I respond to creationists, it is not with an expectation that the creationist will be persuaded. Rather, it is because the bogus creationist arguments need to be rebutted for the benefit of the inquiring minds.
I couldn't agree more.
My grandmother died at 107, as racist and difference-hateful as ever. I used to confront and contradict her racist pronouncements at various family tables and functions, constantly shushed by relatives who insisted there was no utility to arguing with someone who couldn't change.
But I wasn't trying to change her. I was talking to the young ones.

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Omnivorous
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Message 7 of 57 (364241)
11-16-2006 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by jar
11-16-2006 10:23 PM


Re: one important part of any debate
jar writes:
When we watch a debate, it is not expected that one of the people will convince the other.
Bingo. That is an element of debate that often falls to the wayside here, which leads to both mututal ill will and unreasonable demands for surrender.
Instead, each side will hopefully present their best arguments for their position. The audience can [be] the judge and make up their minds based on the material presented by both sides.
Bingo again: the beauty of debate (when it works) is like that of our adversarial justice system (when it works): two sharp minds pressing each other hard, in the clear light of a dispassionate audience.
And this is why the ad hominem attack, whether insult or something more subtle, is so poisonous to good debate.
One should persuade the audience with reason and information, not defamation, else the process has lost its anchor to truth-seeking and is merely blood sport.

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