A general discussion of debate (goals)

I try to convince the creationists.There are many people who are trying to make sense of the evidence. Some of them are members, and some are lurkers. Those inquirers hear the creationist arguments, and they hear them at other places, not just at evcforum. When I respond to creationists, it is not with an expectation that the creationist will be persuaded. Rather, it is because the bogus creationist arguments need to be rebutted for the benefit of the inquiring minds.

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Just say no to McCain 2008; he abandoned principle when he caved on habeus corpus

That depends on what you mean by "true fundamentalist". Some fundies become fundies as children, but later learn to think for themselves and throw off that fundamentalism. We have examples among the scientists on this forum.

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Just say no to McCain 2008; he abandoned principle when he caved on habeus corpus

I think you have seriously overreacted to purpledawn's post.

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Just say no to McCain 2008; he abandoned principle when he caved on habeus corpus

I can agree with that. But I didn't see any "anti-vaccination gibberish" in purpledawn's post, merely a question to buzsaw as to whether he subscribed to such positions.Perhaps you intended to be responding to buzsaw.

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Just say no to McCain 2008; he abandoned principle when he caved on habeus corpus