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Message 7 of 30 (364902)
11-20-2006 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by kuresu
05-12-2006 12:56 PM


Our Inner Ape
I was wondering how IDer's and Creo's handle fossils, particularly those that are in the Homo genus
Th ID and creationist position is that these alleged hominid fossils are nothing more than fossils of a race of chimpanzee, unknown extinct ape species or diseased humans.
However, another interesting question is that if "Man" is made in the image of God then how should we treat Chimpanzee's and Bonobo's that are near human and must be "made, pretty darn near, in the image of God".
Why would God create a gradation of species that are close to being human? Why can human behavior be explained and extrapolated from more privative chimpanzee behavior?
I remember visiting Cheyenne mountain Zoo when I was a youngster and seeing Chimp's and Ape's for the first time close up. I was stunned at how remarkably similar to humans they looked. Their hands and fingernails were very close to my own. Their facial expressions and the they way they interacted with each other reminded me of my own kindergarten playground at recess I think that was point that I started questioning the storybook creationist tale I was getting told at Sunday school. Maybe Zoo's should be banned.
If we were created by God, and we are all descended from Adam, then is Adam a H. sapiens or is he H. habilus or whichever Homo species is the oldest in the fossil record. And what is the implication of Adam being a H. habilus?
Whoa dude don't go there. Creationist our offended to think that Adam was anything but a full human.
However in thinking this way creationist have lowered the vision of God, the creator of all, to nothing more than a super primate. Not that is insulting.

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Message 9 of 30 (364963)
11-20-2006 4:39 PM
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11-20-2006 2:00 PM


Re: Our Inner Ape
ringo writes:
Fuller than full, even. Fundies think of Adam as homo perfectus.
They don't seem as concerned about change over time as with the direction of the change - devolution versus evolution. Instead of getting "better" than the apes, we're getting worse than our pre-fallen ancestors.
Pity they can't show fossils of the declining years of mankind.
Yes, I neglected that point. Everything was perfect in garden. Megalodon and T-Rex where peaceful vegetarians before the de-evolutionary process.

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Message 20 of 30 (366005)
11-25-2006 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Rob
11-25-2006 1:25 AM


Upright forest fossils
scottness writes:
You may want to see how they handle polystrate fossils...
Not very well really. Much ado about nothing....
Upright fossils are not a problem for a old deep time earth at all. There are numerous examples of upright forests being buried in a upright position from alluvial deposits, subsidence from earthquakes, tsunamis, local floods, land slides, volcanic events, etc.
Here are just view case of sub-fossilized forests on their way to become "polystrate" fossils.
http://www.washington.edu/...rthquakes/bigone/detective.html
News | Michigan Technological University
Notice the use of a chainsaw on a 10K year old upright tree.
http://gsa.confex.com/...3AM/finalprogram/abstract_67603.htm
Quote from the above article "The ages of more than 25 landslides have been estimated by radiocarbon dating of associated sub-fossil wood."
and...
"Buried forests are found in most river valleys that drain Cascade Range stratovolcanoes. "
So what is the problem?

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