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Message 10 of 214 (365156)
11-21-2006 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by randman
11-21-2006 12:30 PM


male and female
the likelihood of a male and female evolving at the same time, same place, and then producing off-spring is incredibly remote, and borders on miraculous.
That's a truly hilarious example of the kind of misunderstanding that is so common among creationists.
In biological terms, sex is an exchange of genetic material. We already see genetic exchange among bacteria, with conjugation. Sex is just an alternative way of implementing such exchanges.
There are also many species that are hermaphrodite, so can exchange genetic material bidirectionally. I don't know the evolutionary history of separate male/female, but it would not surprise me if it evolved out of hermaphroditism. The idea that it required something near miraculous is quite silly.

Just say no to McCain 2008; he abandoned principle when he caved on habeus corpus

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nwr
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Message 14 of 214 (365224)
11-21-2006 6:56 PM
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11-21-2006 6:35 PM


Re: male and female
Not sure where you think a misunderstanding has taken place, WK.
Obviously it is in "a creature mated with itself". That's not what hermaphroditism is about.

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Message 21 of 214 (365326)
11-22-2006 8:02 AM
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11-22-2006 3:07 AM


Re: male and female
Did I say hermaphroditism means, by definition, a creature that mates with itself?
No. You said that evolutionists would suggest a creature that mates with itself as the origin of sex. Instead, we pointed to hermaphroditism, then you claimed to have predicted it.
I'll admit that I didn't do an in-depth analysis, but maybe if you can explain your ideas about how a hermaphrodite or hermaphrodites emerged and led to sole males and females, we can discuss it.... Of course, it is still imagination.
I agree with Wounded King, that it would be better to start a separate thread for this. I'll note that Archer Opterix has proposed such a thread at The Birth of Sex. That could be promoted to Showcase, in which case Archer Opterix would be unable to participate. Or it might be better for you to start a similar thread here, and the existing PNT could be promoted to a parallel thread for other evolutionists to discuss.
I'll postpone other comments on your message until there is a more appropriate thread available.

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