The rights of a woman.

In another thread, that I d o not wish to turn into the abortion thread, crashfrog attempts to point out that woman have rights, and the unborn child does not. I rebuttal that with "yes the woman has rights, she has a right to not have sex" Chiroptera claims this: I want to know why.What gives a woman the right to have sex and not have to deal with the consequences of those actions.I don't want to talk about abortion, or when life starts. I am also not talking about if a woman gets raped. I am also not talking about an unhealthy child.

As it stands what you want addressed seems distinctly different from what Chiroptera said.Taking action to 'alleviate any undesired complications' seems to be dealing with the consequences of those previous actions. Perhaps you could be more explicit in what you consider the consequences to be .Are you more interested in debating Chiroptera's original statement or the alternative question you raise?I'm also not quite sure how you are going to be able to have this discussion without talking about abortion. Do you want to focus on adoption?I think you need to develop this a bit further to make a proper opening post.TTFN,AW

Because I am not talking about abortion as much as I am speaking about the rights of a woman. My specific question was, what gives the right to a woman to willfully have intercourse, and not expect to carry through on pregnancy. That's dealing with it. Having an abortion is not dealing with it. It is a way out of something that you started, but do not want to finish.I can try an re-word it, but I am having trouble expressing myself clearly on this one I guess. I am open to suggestions.

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Having an abortion is not dealing with it. It is a way out of something that you started, but do not want to finish.

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This is the essence of the argument, rat, and if you want to define "dealing with it" in only the way you think it should mean, then it seems rather clear that you aren't interested in listening to anyone else.I don't think such a debate would be enlightening to anyone.Edited by AdminSchraf, : fixed spelling

I don't think that is for you to decide, even as an admin. I clearly asked a question. As an admin you should not be debating with me.That is not the essence of the arguement.Chiroptera claimed that is was a right to have intercourse, and abort. I am talking specifically the two events combined.I don't see it as a right, I see it as a moral decision that plays games with life. What gives a woman the right to create something she is not going to finish? How is that a right? I am not talking about what is law.People have rights to privacy, rights to protection, and many other rights, that make perfect sense to me. I don't see how being allowed to create life, and abort it is a right. I see it as a quick fix for a bad decision. (not even a mistake).The discussion is more about rights, than abortion itself.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

Could you provide the link to where the original statement was made so I can see the context of the comment?I understand what you are trying to ask, I think. Is it possible for you to make your post more to the point and less emotional?I think what you are asking is: Does a healthy woman, who chose to have sex with a man really have the right to terminate a normal healthy pregnancy if it is undesired? If yes, what or who gives her that right?What gives her the right to knowingly engage in sexual intercourse, which has the sole purpose of reproduction, but terminate the reproductive process once it has begun?If that is what you are wanting to discuss, I suggest you word your OP better, less emotional.As worded, it is going to go down the wrong path.Putting the shoe on the other foot.Does a man have the right to engage in sexual intercourse, which has the sole purpose of reproduction, if he does not truly wish to reproduce?IOW, what gives humans the right to engage in sexual intercourse if they don't wish to reproduce?Maybe looking at both those question would be better way for the discussion to go to avoid the abortion issue. Just a thought.

I feel this is worthy of being promoted; however, if you are going to debate this question, RR, it's inevitable that abortion will be discussed. So asking what gives women the right to have sex and then abort, but not wanting to talk about abortion, is a bit of a paradox because it will come up whether you choose to address it or not.The first concern I would have is if this turned into another thread on abortion specifically, which I think we can all agree has been done to death and then some. The second concern I would have is that RR may get piled on by posters who disagree with him and all post essentially the same argument, but this can be true of any thread really. If anyone intends to participate, please look over the thread first and note if your point has already been made.

Your post is filled with unsupported claims that you are treating as if they are self-evident truths.

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People have rights to privacy, rights to protection, and many other rights, that make perfect sense to me. I don't see how being allowed to create life, and abort it is a right. I see it as a quick fix for a bad decision. (not even a mistake).

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Is the bolded portion the issue you would like to discuss?

That is not quoted from my op.

Well, I would like to word it better, but emotional?
Are you sure you aren't the one emotional abou tit, I do not feel I was emotional. Yes, this sounds good.and I think I will add this: But replace the word reproduce with "support the child." ??Should I propose another topic, or edit this one? I would not like to see all the current responses as part of the thread.http://EvC Forum: A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives ...by Michael Moore -->EvC Forum: A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives ...by Michael Moore
is the link where it started. Starting at msg 55.

We can just promote a single post as the start of a new thread.Why not post a draft of your new OP and we can go on from there.TTFN,AW

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Are you sure you aren't the one emotional abou tit, I do not feel I was emotional.

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Quite possible since I'm a woman.

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But replace the word reproduce with "support the child." ??

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How about reproduce and support the child.I think you need to work the word healthy into it also, to avoid that pitfall. Same for the statement on men. If yes, what gives him that right?

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Should I propose another topic, or edit this one? I would not like to see all the current responses as part of the thread.

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Just rework the OP. I will only promote the OP, not the comments. Were you wanting this in coffee house or social issues?New title possibility since you're talking about men and women.
Rights of Consentual SexMaybe you can think of something better, but I suggest trying to narrow the title to fit the healthy outlook you are going for.

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Does a healthy woman have the right to knowingly engage in sexual intercourse, which has the sole purpose of reproduction, but terminate the reproductive process (healthy pregnancy) once it has begun? If yes, what gives her this right?

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If the goal with this topic is to begin with a premise that all/most can live with, I suggest making another change."...which has the sole purpose of reproduction" is not a facually accurate statement, although many people hold it as a religious tenet.

Participants can make their case in the discussion if they disagree with the statement.

We are waiting for you to revise the OP, Rat. Then one of us will most likely promote that single proposal and eliminate all the followup talk.