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AdminWounded
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Message 16 of 21 (366325)
11-27-2006 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by AdminPhat
11-27-2006 1:11 PM


No elbow room.
Its like Adminapalooza on this thread.

TTFN,

AW


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AdminSchraf
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Message 17 of 21 (366349)
11-27-2006 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by AdminPD
11-27-2006 12:36 PM


Re: Revise OP
quote:
Participants can make their case in the discussion if they disagree with the statement.

Well, that's why I am asking if it is important that the OP be a statement that everybody is likely to be able to live with.

I'm not sure yet another abortion thread that does not progress beyond disagreement over initial premises is useful.


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riVeRraT
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Message 18 of 21 (366378)
11-27-2006 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by AdminPD
11-27-2006 8:41 AM


Re: Revise OP
How about reproduce and support the child.

Ok.

I think you need to work the word healthy into it also, to avoid that pitfall.

Ok.

Same for the statement on men. If yes, what gives him that right?

I don't know how that applys, because a man cannot get an abortion.
Unless we are talking about the mans opinion only.


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AdminPD
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Message 19 of 21 (366442)
11-28-2006 5:21 AM
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11-27-2006 8:01 PM


Re: Revise OP
quote:
I don't know how that applys, because a man cannot get an abortion.
Unless we are talking about the mans opinion only.
But he can influence the woman's decision to get an abortion or give the child up for adoption.

You wanted to talk about rights not abortion. Just a suggestion, your choice.

Revise the OP and I'll promote the topic for you.


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riVeRraT
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Message 20 of 21 (366753)
11-29-2006 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by AdminPD
11-28-2006 5:21 AM


Human Rights
In the thread A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives ...by Michael Moore
Michael Moore makes a pledge from liberals to conservatives (of which I am neither):

8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were conceived.

My reply to that was

quote:
Does this mean they won't stick up for my unborn child should someone intend to do harm to him/her/it. Or is it just trash?

Then everyone started getting concerned that I was not concerned about the rights of a woman. My reply to that was:

quote:
I never said the woman doesn't have any rights, she has every right in the world not to have intercourse. Unless she is raped against her will, then she should have the right to remove the baby, IMO.

Chiroptera responds

She also has the right to have intercourse, and to alleviate any undesired complications that might result from it.

So I asked her why that is a right.

Being that birth control is not 100% full proof, or natural, I can't see how this is a right for two consenting adults. The same goes for the man, as he is part of it, and can be an influence on the woman’s decision to get an abortion. (of which I am guilty of).

When I think of human rights, this is what I think of:
Human Rights

As I read that, I really don't see anything that could be applied to what is claimed by chiroptera and others.

The obvious answer is because you can get an abortion, that makes it a right. But there was a time when you couldn't, and they are fighting to remove that option. So I will not accept that answer. It doesn't fully describe why it is a right. A starving child has a right to food. The child has done nothing to put himself in harms way.

If a woman gets raped, then I feel she has a right to an abortion.

But the combination of the two events, consensual intercourse, and abortion together, I feel is just not a right, and I would like to hear arguments as to why it is.

In this thread we are not going to talk about abortion. Abortion is legal. I also don't want to talk about when life begins in the womb. Those two subjects have been beaten to death already.

So this is the question, and the topic,
Why is it a right for both a man and a woman to have consensual sex, AND get an abortion?


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AdminPD
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Message 21 of 21 (366826)
11-29-2006 1:30 PM
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11-29-2006 9:31 AM


Topic Promoted to Social Issues and Creation/Evolution Forum
Thread copied to the Human Rights thread in the Social Issues and Creation/Evolution forum.

This copy of the thread has been closed.


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