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Author | Topic: Who are you to doubt the creation account given by Moses? | |||||||||||||||||||
Brian Member (Idle past 4982 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
And when was Adam said to be perfect?
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funkmasterfreaky Inactive Member |
Maybe that's the created in God's image thing. That was just the first thing to come to mind.
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Dr Cresswell Inactive Member |
quote:Of course, riddles and metaphors are different things. Riddles are puzzles to be solved, quite often used as a means of teaching that are hidden from those who do not know the secret of understanding them. Metaphors are pictures that highlight and clarify points. That the passage quoted would imply that the creation accounts aren't riddles doesn't rule out them being metaphorical. Interestingly, I see in the parables of Jesus strong evidence of the use of both metaphor and riddle. Alan
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
quote: It can? Please explain why you think so.
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Jesuslover153 Inactive Member |
I do not think that Jesus spoke so clearly to everyone, he does after all state that... it was only to the apostles that he revealed all things...
and after all God did say that he spoke plainly to Moses.
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Jesuslover153 Inactive Member |
diabetes?
some form of cancers? mutations of some forms? fatty degenerative diseases? or at least an increased chance at getting them?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
Those are all questions. Are you stating something has fact?
For example, diabetes may have an inheritable component. That component is not affected by what you eat. What you eat does not pass anything on to your offspring. However, how you eat may interact with your inherited propensity for diabetes. How do mutations that are caused by what you eat (which I guess could occur if you eat the wrong poisons) get passed through the germ cells rather than somatic cells? You're making something up here. If I'm wrong about that please explain it in enough detail to demonstrate that I am wrong. You aren't there yet.
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Mister Pamboli Member (Idle past 7599 days) Posts: 634 From: Washington, USA Joined: |
quote:... or Moses said God said that he spoke plainly to Moses! There's no easy answer to these things. In the long run you are taking a position of great faith in the claims made for scripture. "Not that there's anything wrong with that" as Seinfeld would say, but it's not for me, or for many others here.
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Jesuslover153 Inactive Member |
I am a maxamilist Christian after all.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1501 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Have you ever considered that, even if Moses were an
actual person, that he may have constructed the Bible in order to control his people during their wanderings through the dessert (and afterwards) ... or that someone after the isrealites had settled in one location made it up to instill a kind of divine national pride and justification for the ill treatment of the indigenous populations?
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funkmasterfreaky Inactive Member |
no
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Peter Member (Idle past 1501 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Any particular line of reasoning involved in
that ... or is it just something you, as a hopefully critical thinker, have never dared to question?
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Cryptic Inactive Member |
Before we go on about riddles and metaphors, I think we all need to look up definitions....And don't get me going with riddles. Im known to stump people much much older than myself.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I love riddles. Why don't you start a topic on the Free For All board and try to stump us? I promise I (for one) will play fair and not look up the answers on the net or something.
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Flamingo Chavez Inactive Member |
Take for instance the parable of the mustard seed. (Matthew 13:31-32) Jesus refers to the mustard seed as the smallest of all seeds, this we now know not to be true. A simple side by side comparison of a mustard seed with an orchid seed shows that an orchid seed is much smaller. If Jesus had referred to an orchid seed, no one would have any idea what he was talking about. In the same way, if the Holy Spirit had inspired the writer of Genesis within the context of a perfect knowledge of the Earth's creation, it would exceed their understanding. How much more would it exceed their understanding if The Holy spirit referred to the creation of the universe in terms of the Big Bang, and evolutionary biology? I’m certain that if God fully revealed every detail of his creation to anyone living today that it would most certainly baffle them. Your views on origins say more of what you believe about the Bible rather than what you believe about God Frank Goforth.
However, what is really interesting is that this the idea of a nonliteralist interpretation of Genesis is not an old idea at all; for the first 17 Christian centuries the traditional view was that Genesis 1 did not teach solar days, one should be able to make room for that idea todayeven though it is an old-fashioned idea. (Herald of Holiness) The wave of biblical literalism that is so prevalent in society stems from the Protestant reformation. It was during that time that a new stress on interpreting the bible exactly as it is written was established. A later result was the rejection of Darwin and his followers. This is partially because of the Huxley vs. Wilbur Force debates, and partially because of the theological teachings coming from the Princeton Theological Seminary. This view has become further and further entrenched in the minds of society by people that view evolution as a means of naturalism to creep in to society, and creationism was touted to be the ultimate response to this lie. Ironically, the evolutionary creationist enjoys a more historically accurate context in which to view scripture than their opponents do. Furthermore, knowing the exact details about how God created the universe is unimportant. Scientific creationists get so caught up in trying to prove that their version of the creation account is correct that they miss the central meaning behind it. The ancient Hebrews believed that the purpose of Genesis 1 was not to be a scientific textbook showing how the Earth was created, but was meant to reveal the foundational spiritual truths that God is the Creator, the creation is very good, all humanity is created in the Image of God, and human sin is utterly real and utterly significant. (Lamoureux, D) God is in fact the creator of the universe, whether he created it with divine intervention or through slow and ordinary means is unimportant. The Exodus event is the central event of the entire Old Testament; all other passages in the Old Testament are secondary to that fact. It’s through the Exodus event that God fulfilled his promise to Abraham and brought his people from nothingness, to freedom in their own land. This shows God’s complete dominance over any and every god of Egypt. Each of the plagues was a specific challenge to their whole religious structure. For example: Moses turning the Nile river into blood. The Nile was believed to be the gods’ principle gift to the Egyptians. By challenging this, Moses showed his God’s superiority. The Genesis account is written to show that any and everything that was and had been could be attributed to other gods, was in fact made by the God of the Jews. So through God’s redeeming power he proves his ability to create. It is in this way that this doctrine of redemption becomes the affirmation for the doctrine of creation. The Creation account exhibits brilliant parallelism that is shared by much of Hebrew poetry. It seems logical that instead of God directly telling the author what to write, the author meditated on God’s creation and the Holy Spirit spoke to the author in a vision. The days written in the creation account are therefore not literal days, but a topical framework that explains creation in metaphorical terms. This is not a new point of view, this view has a history that traces back to the father Augustine, and currently enjoys the support of many theologians of strong evangelical persuasion. (Wright, R) ------------------"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein |
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