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crashfrog
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Message 91 of 300 (367602)
12-03-2006 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by nator
12-03-2006 6:55 PM


did you like The shining? I thought that was fucking incredible.
I didn't think it was all that special, I guess.

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crashfrog
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Message 92 of 300 (367603)
12-03-2006 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by nator
12-03-2006 7:08 PM


Re: Here's goes
More than 50% of young men would violently rape a woman if they could be assured of getting away with it.
I thought it was opinions, not facts?

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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 93 of 300 (367611)
12-03-2006 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by mike the wiz
12-03-2006 12:19 PM


mike writes:
Believers in Christ cannot be thugs/criminals/evil-doers etc.
George Bush believes in christ. He is a thug.
Dick Chaney believes in christ. He is a thug
Donald Rumsfeld believes in christ. He is a thug.
Connie Rice believes in christ. She is a thugette.
The correlation and anti-correlation between religiosity and thuggery is 0.000.

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fallacycop
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Message 94 of 300 (367612)
12-03-2006 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Hyroglyphx
12-02-2006 12:06 PM


Courses in "logic." Personal finances makes sense, but I don't think you can teach people logic; you either have it or you don't. That's like teaching people "smart."
May be you should read a book on logic. You might be surprised about how much is there to be learned.
Most schools don't recite the Pledge of Allegiance because most schools pander to the left, and the left despises patriotism.
It`s the indoctrination that`s questionable, not the patriotism

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anglagard
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Message 95 of 300 (367613)
12-03-2006 11:36 PM
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12-03-2006 7:08 PM


Re: Here's goes
The Doors suck.
After all this time, I thought out of everyone I knew, only my wife and I shared this opinion.
I even think it was one of the reasons we got married.

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Modulous
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Message 96 of 300 (367622)
12-04-2006 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by crashfrog
12-03-2006 9:42 PM


Re: Here's goes
More than 50% of young men would violently rape a woman if they could be assured of getting away with it.
I thought it was opinions, not facts?
lol, yes I'm sure one person is able to conclude from their perception of reality the the inner mind of something of the order of a billion people (much more if we include the time dimension - in full or part).
There are so many problems associated with even gathering objective evidence for/against such a statement that I can not see any good justification for claiming its factuality emerging at any time in the near future.

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RickJB
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Message 97 of 300 (367625)
12-04-2006 6:18 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by nator
12-03-2006 7:08 PM


Re: Here's goes
Schraf writes:
More than 50% of young men would violently rape a woman if they could be assured of getting away with it.
Phew. Now that's a strong one, Schraf.
I assume you base this on instinctive reproductive/territorial urges? Or do you just have a low opinion of young men?
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JavaMan
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Message 98 of 300 (367628)
12-04-2006 7:53 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by crashfrog
11-29-2006 7:39 PM


What is a science?
1) I think physics, chemistry, and mathematics are "fake" sciences in that they do not study the natural world, but rather, study simplified mathematical models about it.
Hmmm. I'm curious to know what kind of definition of science you have that excludes physics and chemistry (mathematics isn't a science and has never been defined as one).
What is the natural world in your opinion? Does it exclude the things studied by physicists and chemists?
And can you give me an example of a science that doesn't depend on simplified models of the natural world?

'I can't even fit all my wife's clothes into a suitcase for travelling. So you want me to believe we're going to put all of the planets and stars and everything into a sandwich bag?' - q3psycho on the Big Bang

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crashfrog
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Message 99 of 300 (367634)
12-04-2006 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Modulous
12-04-2006 3:10 AM


Re: Here's goes
lol, yes I'm sure one person is able to conclude from their perception of reality the the inner mind of something of the order of a billion people (much more if we include the time dimension - in full or part).
It's a simple survey that they've done several times in the past, Mod. The results are always the same - particularly if you don't call it "rape" in the survey, but simply describe the behavior, more than half of college-aged men would commit those acts if they felt they were sure of getting away with it.
Or at least they say they would. I can't think of any reason they would lie about that.

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crashfrog
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Message 100 of 300 (367635)
12-04-2006 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by JavaMan
12-04-2006 7:53 AM


Re: What is a science?
Hmmm. I'm curious to know what kind of definition of science you have that excludes physics and chemistry (mathematics isn't a science and has never been defined as one).
I've been over it a couple of times, already. Check upthread.
What is the natural world in your opinion?
That in which there are no such things as "points" and "planes" and "parallel lines" and "frictionless pulleys" and "nonelastic ropes" and billiard tables where all the balls are completely spherical, and all the other inventions of mathematics that physicists seem to rely on so dearly, to the exclusion of how pulleys and ropes and billiard tables actually work in real life.
And can you give me an example of a science that doesn't depend on simplified models of the natural world?
Biology. I'm not saying that they're not there, simply that you can't depend on them.

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Modulous
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Message 101 of 300 (367636)
12-04-2006 9:19 AM
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12-04-2006 8:53 AM


I'd certainly be interested to see the results. Specifically how they manage to obfuscate the violence in violent rape. Are the studies global, or just the US/Europe whatever? Are they temporal, have we seen any interesting trends of increasing or decreasing tendencies?
This single perspective could provide a wonderful wealth of information about the way the world's zeitgeist shifts.
As an aside, I wonder what girls and gays say in comparable surveys.

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RickJB
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From: London, UK
Joined: 04-14-2006


Message 102 of 300 (367641)
12-04-2006 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by crashfrog
12-04-2006 8:53 AM


Re: Here's goes
Crashfrog writes:
Or at least they say they would. I can't think of any reason they would lie about that.
Have women been given some kind of equivalent test?

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Son Goku
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Message 103 of 300 (367644)
12-04-2006 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by crashfrog
12-04-2006 8:56 AM


Re: What is a science?
That in which there are no such things as "points" and "planes" and "parallel lines" and "frictionless pulleys" and "nonelastic ropes" and billiard tables where all the balls are completely spherical, and all the other inventions of mathematics that physicists seem to rely on so dearly, to the exclusion of how pulleys and ropes and billiard tables actually work in real life.
That's just first year undergrad mechanics though, which contains problems that a student can solve in a reasonable length of time. Real world pulleys can be done easily, they just don't give any extra insight into anything, though they are extra work, which is why they aren't given to students. Same with the rest of you examples, they're simplifications made for course work, not actual simplifications made in working physics.

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nator
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Message 104 of 300 (367671)
12-04-2006 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Hyroglyphx
12-02-2006 12:06 PM


quote:
Courses in "logic." Personal finances makes sense, but I don't think you can teach people logic; you either have it or you don't. That's like teaching people "smart."
Actually, logic in general is not natural to humans and is one of those things that has to be passed on from generation to generation.
It is a skill that needs to be learned and practiced, and so classes in logic would be very valuable, indeed.

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nator
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Message 105 of 300 (367672)
12-04-2006 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by anglagard
12-03-2006 11:36 PM


Re: Here's goes
Wow, my husband and I both think the Doors suck.

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