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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4927 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
You are not accounting for the loss of genetic diversity, nor the continual process of losing genetic diversity that occurs over a long period of time. You have not shown that the rate of mutations is sufficient, nor proved that, to overcome this process of loss of diversity.
You have shown absolutely nothing, and yet do not appear to possess the intelligence to see that.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The points you have been ignoring have been repeated ad nauseum to you, such as your claim that the small changes of microevolution add to macroevolution and how that most basic claim is not tested or backed up in reference to the process itself, except with simplistic nonsense that small changes must add up to the larger change. So "simplistic" that you are apparently unable to argue against it.
You ignore the factors in the small changes that are moving in the wrong direction decreasing genetic diversity. Once more, you are telling me fairy stories about my own opinions.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Once again, you are ignoring the argument entirely. It's not a matter of who thinks what, but that factual criticism of evo models are glossed over in a dishonest fashion by people like you that try to divert the argument from facts into pettiness. But your quote mine doesn't contain any "factual criticism" for me to "gloss over". Produce, from those quotes, one piece of evidence that you think contradicts the theory of evolution, and I shall respond to it. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4927 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Take your game somewhere else then, Dr Adequate. I have been patient, and asked you to address the points in the OP and elsewhere, and though you finally tried one attempt at a fact-based post, I have no more interest in seeing the thread fouled up for others and have asked that your posting privileges on my threads in this forum be removed, per the rules of Showcase.
I feel there are others that, while they will argue against my position, will do so in a fruitful manner.
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Admin Director Posts: 13038 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
randman writes: Since you have nothing to offer, please excuse yourself from this thread. Is this a request to remove Dr Adequate's permissions for the [forum=-37] forum?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You are not accounting for the loss of genetic diversity, nor the continual process of losing genetic diversity that occurs over a long period of time. No. I have shown that this imaginary process doesn't happen in the case I've analysed.
You have not shown that the rate of mutations is sufficient, nor proved that, to overcome this process of loss of diversity. That is exactly what I've shown. Whom do you hope to deceive by saying otherwise?
You have shown absolutely nothing, and yet do not appear to possess the intelligence to see that. ... says the man who claims that my model of what happens when you isolate populations doesn't take isolation into account.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Take your game somewhere else then, Dr Adequate. I have been patient, and asked you to address the points in the OP and elsewhere, and though you finally tried one attempt at a fact-based post, I have no more interest in seeing the thread fouled up for others and have asked that your posting privileges on my threads in this forum be removed, per the rules of Showcase. I quite understand why you are too frightened to argue for your opinions or against mine. I can also see why in the magical fantasy world in your head you like to pretend that I have not replied to your points, but I still cannot understand whom you hope to deceive by saying so.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4927 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I went ahead and put in a request officially, and yes it is a request to remove him from my threads in Showcase. I think this can be a very productive forum, but not with Dr Adequate.
My view is he has avoided and evaded the reality of genetic loss which others do admit occurs via isolation, and his posting style, imo, is mostly not dealing with the facts raised. I am sure I am guilty, imo, of responding in-kind, and others may feel that I am the perpetuator. I think, however, the points on the evo side can be made more effectively, and the debate more stick to the facts with others, such as WK and others that don't seem so prone to ignore the issues raised even though they disagree with me. Thank you.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4927 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I think anyone that seriously thinks I am frightened by others in debate or unwilling to take on challenging opponents is just not paying attention. No, it's just I really would prefer to debate someone sticking to the facts and moving the discussion forward. You have not been doing that, and so see ya later....
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
My view is he has avoided and evaded the reality of genetic loss which others do admit occurs via isolation... I have proved that in the long term, if total population and mutation rate are constant, this increases genetic diversity. Hello?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I think anyone that seriously thinks I am frightened by others in debate or unwilling to take on challenging opponents is just not paying attention. No, it's just I really would prefer to debate someone sticking to the facts and moving the discussion forward. You have not been doing that ... Again, I ask whom do you hope to deceive? I've been doing genetics. You've been telling me random falsehoods about my opinions. Oh, and the stuff about "prop airplanes" and "swimming to England". Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4927 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
So that accounts for extinctions, eh?
For the level of loss of genetic diversity making it more difficult for further evolution (as is probably the case with the cheetah)? For the fact that the types of mutations are limited, and not unlimited, at any given point? For how the fact that there are pressures limiting genetic diversity even while there are mutations being introduced gradually? Moreover, you failed to realize that some of the quotes were quite germane to this very topic, and you clouded up most of your posts with non-factual, non-substantive posts. I am glad you FINALLY tried to prove your case....perhaps had you started out of the gate doing that, and engaging the points raised, your time here could have been more fruitful. Of course, that doesn't mean you proved anything, but at least you had a post trying.....unfortunately, I am not willing to wade through 10 posts to get to that one. Others can argue the evo side more effectively and still acknowledge the substantive side of what I am saying, or at least properly understand the criticism and debate it.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4927 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
WK, I look forward to your posts and references when you get back.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
So that accounts for extinctions, eh? Sheesh, not only don't you understand the model, but you don't understand what question it answers. Your one resource seems to be your own incomprehension. If your petition to escape my arguments is successful, I'm sure Wounded King will be able to explain the model to you. But not that you will understand the explanation. I have found you an argument. I am not obliged to find you an understanding. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Me: Now, let the population be divided into two isolated gene pools of size pN and qN ...
Randman: You completely leave off the pressures towards isolation ... Says it all, doesn't it?
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