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Author Topic:   Sad what Bible Inerrancy can do to a mind!
Percy
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Message 15 of 79 (36429)
04-07-2003 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by drummachine
04-07-2003 4:42 PM


Carbon-14 dating.
--Percy

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Message 22 of 79 (36579)
04-09-2003 12:00 PM
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04-08-2003 10:22 PM


Drum writes:
Could you please go to Answers in Genesis and got to Q&A and then look up Carbon 14 and tell me what you think?
What's missing is any indication that you yourself have read and understood the information on C-14 dating at AIG. At least a few people have gone to AIG and written here what they think, but what's missing in the equation is what *you* thought of it.
I think that now it's your turn. Go to Radiocarbon Dating Laboratory: University of Waikato and read the information about how C-14 dating was developed, how it works, how the modern analysis is performed, how the dates are calibrated, and so forth. Compare and contrast this with the information from AIG in a message to this thread.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 29 of 79 (36616)
04-09-2003 5:22 PM
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04-09-2003 4:52 PM


If you doubt the flood why are there marine fossils found on mountains and in places like the Mid West?
Okay, this is great, precisely the example I was hoping for to tie the C-14 issue in with the thread topic.
The thread topic, while expressed provocatively, is actually asking the rhetorical question of why Creationists often approach these issues the way they do. First, Drum makes clear his lack of knowledge about C-14 dating. Second, he doesn't bother reading up on it but instead poses additional uninformed questions. Third, he changes the subject from C-14 dating to the flood and, consistent with the C-14 issue, reveals he has no knowledge of modern geology, either.
Is the premise of the thread correct? Is there something about acceptance of Biblical inerrancy that forces a certain approach to knowledge? Or is it something else?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 38 of 79 (36725)
04-10-2003 7:37 PM
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04-10-2003 6:17 PM


Drum writes:
Are you seriously telling me, Drum, that you're here debating this stuff and have never so much as read an 8th-grade Earth Science book, or watched Nova on TV? You've yet to hear of plate tectonics, or the term "geology?" Great googley-moogley, man! I am astounded.
1)Whats your point?
I think Coragyps is simply expressing curiousity at how you managed to escape high school without learning anything about geology. Not accepting modern geology is one thing, knowing nothing about it is another.
2)Why are there trees standing standing straight up in rock layers if it was not catastrophic event?
I'm not the best here to explain this one, but if I'm too far off the mark someone can correct me. The tree took root while the layers were still soil and sand and so forth. While the tree was still alive the region depressed and became deeply buried with many layers eventually accumulating above. The intense pressure turned the layers to rock, including the tree with its root system decending through the layers. Eventually the region elevated and erosion exposed the layers so the fossilized tree could be discovered.
3)Do you believe in evolution and that everything came into order by an explosion? If you do, would you please explain to me how that makes sense?
The Big Bang was not an explosion but a rapid expansion. The universe is still expanding today, 13.7 billion years later.
But you're right, there's no such thing as a free lunch. The only way you can get increased order in one part of the universe is to pay for it with an even bigger decrease in order in another part of the universe. The increased order we have here on earth is paid for with energy from the Sun. This law of nature is called the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
4)If evolution is true why are there "living fossils"?
There is no requirement that species go extinct, nor is there any requirement that they evolve. Some species have been around for a very long period of time.
Evolutionary change is driven by environmental pressures. Some species have somehow always found friendly niches through the ages, and so haven't changed.
By the way, these aren't your questions. They appear at many Creationist websites and have been asked here many, many times. They're terribly naive and rhetorical and are presented to the ignorant in order to prove just how stupid current scientific views are, as if any rational person would actually hold views so full of such obvious contradictions.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 55 of 79 (36801)
04-11-2003 9:46 PM
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04-11-2003 7:45 PM


Drum writes:
Am I not aloud to ask questions like these?
You mean allowed? Sure you're allowed. I was just reexpressing my wish that you would ask your own questions instead of trolling Creationist websites for evolutionary stumpers without ever understanding the questions you're copying.
You know why these questions come up is because evolution is impossible because there is no evidence.
It's statements like this that raise questions like those posed by the title of this thread. Why did you make such an ill-considered comment? You might not agree with the scientific interpretation of the fossil record and radiometric dating and geological layers and genetics, but there's plenty of evidence.
Even though year after year it will be taught to children. And it tells them that there are no absolutes. Truth is what you want it to be.
Are we still talking about evolution here?
Its like the religions of the world. How can they lead to the same God? They cannot because its nonsense. There can only be one way. And when we look at history it fits with the Bible no matter how much mankind will try to to remove it.
So you're particular subbranch of Christianity is the one, right and true religion of all the subbranches of all the religions of the world? Now I'm sure we're not talking about evolution. I think there are some other religions that might beg to differ.
Your Bible quotes are irrelevant to this topic, and they're not going to help you understand the scientific issues.
--Percy

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Message 57 of 79 (36805)
04-11-2003 9:58 PM
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04-11-2003 9:29 PM


Re: Warning to drummachine - not advancing discussion
It seems to me that AdminPamboli put considerable time and effort into explaining how you're coming across. I advise giving it some serious consideration, particularly the parts about the way you're using Creationist websites, and your failure to support your many assertions.
Perhaps it would help to take a longer view. I feel like you expect your points to be very convincing, and when they're not you blast us with out-of-context Biblical quotes and irrelevant baseless assertions. Perhaps you're expecting too much. People's minds aren't changed overnight. They have to be presented the information many times in many ways from many sources. Don't be in such a hurry. You'll win more converts with charm and persuasion than with mindless Bible thumping.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 58 of 79 (36806)
04-11-2003 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by drummachine
04-11-2003 9:50 PM


Drum writes:
One of the quotes was that in the end days man would willfully forget that everything was created and that there was a flood. That was written almost 2,000 years ago.
If you don't quote anything from whoever you're replying to, and you don't even say, "Hi, so-and-so," and you don't use the little reply icon at the bottom of the message, then how is anybody supposed to make sense of this?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 65 of 79 (36830)
04-12-2003 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by drummachine
04-11-2003 10:20 PM


Re: Warning to drummachine - not advancing discussion
Drum writes:
I'm not trying to thump anyone with the Bible.
What would you call it when in the middle of a discussion on evolutionary topics you suddenly issue three lengthy Biblical quotes?
If love does not have truth it is meaningless. I love and care for all people. But I just cannot say for example, "thats fine you believe in being a homosexual so I will not say anything." I'm not going to say, "Hey! Your going to hell!" Thats not place because I'm not the judge. But I believe part of God's holiness is that that is sin to Him and He condemns it...etc...
I just quote this as another example of you going way off topic. We were originally talking about C14 dating, but you couldn't stay on that topic and instead posted some stumpers from Creationist websites, and now you can't stay with those issues but instead are right back to God and the Bible.
Do you ever have conversations where your religious beliefs don't come up? Maybe with your mechanic?
As I've said a couple times now, you're the perfect subject of study for this thread. I'd like to understand why you introduce your religious beliefs into every evolutionary discussion. There's nothing to fear in examining the evidence for evolution. Understanding how science interprets the evidence doesn't mean you have to accept it, and it would leave you much better equipped in discussion.
--Percy

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