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Author Topic:   Why is it Evolution versus Creation?
Modulous
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Message 3 of 45 (368160)
12-07-2006 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by geatz
12-07-2006 4:16 AM


Christians don't have to debate whether evolution occured or not; let scientists figure out if it happened.
Unfortunately some religious folk (not just Christians) believe that their deity has told them how the world works so scientists must be wrong.
I hate that evolutionists are pushing evolution as a fact simply because they don't want to believe in something higher than themselves.
Actually, evolution has shown that we are no higher than anything else. If anything fundamentalists are upset that evolution has shown that rather than the other way around.
It has prevented me from validifying their scientific discoveries because I believe there is alterior motive.
Their discoveries are documented - you can verify them at your leisure (and expense, unfortunately).
You should be forming mathematical proofs to prove that 0=1 instead of arguing with christians, whom are going to believe in creation whether evolution is fact or not.
It's not a matter of trying to convince people that their deity is wrong. It is a matter of trying to show people that the science is not fuelled by ulterior motives and that ID should not be taught in schools.
Why not try arguing why our ancestors evolved instead of arguing if they evolved. The fact that so many evolutionists are still arguing "if" leads me to believe you aren't so confident in your findings.
Nobody is arguing if evolution occurred. That is what is referred to as the historical fact of evolution. Evolutionists are trying to show people that there is significant evidence for this if only they would put their religious beliefs to one side they'd see it. The 'why' is explained by the Theory of Evolution.

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Modulous
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Message 7 of 45 (368185)
12-07-2006 11:07 AM
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12-07-2006 10:28 AM


Again you make it seem you only believe science, and therefor creation is wrong.
Nothing of the sort. Creation makes empirical claims about how the world works. Science can show those claims to be wrong. Creationism could be wrong, it could be right. After all, an all powerful deity could have made the earth seem old to scientists, right?
Science can find answers only to what we can percieve or understand, so why do you think that that ID isn't possible?
ID is possible.
I believe that ID is just as possible as evolution.
And I agree. I believe the best way to decide which one is more likely to be an accurate description of the universe we live in is to investigate the positive evidence for each position. That's what we do here.
There is corroborating evidence to support jesus and his miracles(Josephus, Paul's letters, Terullian, Caria), authentic documentary evidence(The Bible), eye witness evidence(thousands of people witnessed his miracles), as well as archaeological confirmation.
Thousands of people may have witnessed his miracles - but unfortunately they don't exist now, and they didn't write it down. We have no documentary evidence that is contemporary with Jesus that is relevant, except possibly some Roman records.
I'm not going to throw out overwhelming evidence because you believe you've scientifically disproven the first 2 pages of the bible, which science has no right to analyze since god is talking about his perceptions.
Not at all. I do believe that the interpretation that is employed by Young Earth Creationists is falsified by the evidence. I can't speak for what God meant in the Bible, nor what his chosen agents meant. I can happily speak about what a significant amount of his believers believe today. Including the belief that the earth is 6,000 years old or so.
But more than likely in the grand scheme of things, science is wrong.
That depends what you mean by 'more than likely', and 'the grand scheme of things' and 'science' and 'wrong'.
I agree that, if history has anything to say about scientific conclusions it is that they are likely to be incomplete right now.
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Modulous
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Message 36 of 45 (368376)
12-08-2006 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by geatz
12-08-2006 12:45 AM


"There is enough of a discrepency to show that there could have been no previous concert among them; and at the same time such sustantional agreement as to show that they all were independent narrators of the same great transaction" Craig L. blomberg, PH.D., Craig Blomberg is widely considered to be the one of the country's formost authorities on the biographies of Jesus.
That was Simon Greenleaf, according to every google search I tried.

Also: Please don't spam the board with replies to yourself as additions to your previous post. Simply edit the post you wish to add somethng to.

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