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Dr Adequate
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Message 5 of 84 (368308)
12-07-2006 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
12-07-2006 7:01 PM


I've heard some evolutionists attempt to exonerate rape because they see it as a natural part of biology.
Quote them.
Can an evolutionist make moral pronouncements, such as "rape is bad," while still clinging to his or her beliefs in evolution?
Of course. Just as I can believe that killing people is bad while, ahem, "clinging to my beliefs" in gravity.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 50 of 84 (368813)
12-10-2006 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Hyroglyphx
12-10-2006 12:03 AM


Re: Evolution and rape
What? I didn't misrepresent it. I was asked to show which evolutionists believe that rape is actually a biological function.
This is not true. You were asked to show that "some evolutionists attempt to exonerate rape". Because you said:
I've heard some evolutionists attempt to exonerate rape because they see it as a natural part of biology.
So we asked you to justify the claim that "some evolutionists attempt to exonerate rape".
You have not done so.
If you can't substantiate this, then it's a particularly foul and disgusting smear, is it not?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 51 of 84 (368814)
12-10-2006 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Hyroglyphx
12-08-2006 12:33 PM


Re: Evolution and rape
But gravity wouldn't affect, ahem, one's disposition, but evolution would. That's the problem.
Let's try a more exact analogy. I believe that gravity causes planes to crash. I believe that plane crashes shouldn't happen, 'cos they kill people. I believe in gravity. Moreover, I believe that the theory of gravity, and gravity itself, are morally neutral. No contradiction is involved.
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By the way, I don't think you've spelled out the connection between evolution and rape. How would rape evolve, in your opinion?
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Finally, you seem to be committing the "naturalistic fallacy" on behalf of evolutionists. Just because I believe something is natural, and indeed that it evolved (e.g. polio) doesn't mean that I wouldn't also like to see it wiped from the face of the Earth.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 52 of 84 (368821)
12-10-2006 2:03 PM
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12-08-2006 12:10 PM


Well, can you imagine the defense attorney paying thousands of dollars to get a geneticist to map out the specific locus in order to sway the jury.
But surely if such a gene exists the excuse "my genes made me do it" is equally valid (or invalid) whether the gene was produced by evolution or lovingly hand-crafted by a benevolent deity.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 56 of 84 (368880)
12-10-2006 7:52 PM
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12-10-2006 6:15 PM


Re: Evolution and rape
First of all, I did exactly what I was tasked to do. I provided two sources who believe that rape is a natural behavior.
But this is not true. You were not asked to show that rape is "a natural behavior". You were asked to show that:
some evolutionists attempt to exonerate rape
Please quote one "evolutionist" who "attempts to exonarate rape".
Thank you.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 59 of 84 (368883)
12-10-2006 8:04 PM
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12-10-2006 6:15 PM


Re: Evolution and rape
I know they aren't advocates for rape, but they are attempting to reduce the behavior back to some evolutionary step in reproduction.
Can you quote an attorney making that argument, or did you make that up?

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