Human Rights

To tell you the truth, I don't know if it is actually right or not. I don't know how we got here for sure, and no-one else can prove it. So until we figure out who gave us this privilage of life, then I can't give a qualified answer to that. Plus, I am not a woman. But for now, I think it should be allowed, but I do not recommend it in the context of the op. I feel like we live in a society the places sex ahead of giving birth to life.

You need to rephrase that, to even though rat has answer this question, I do not agree.I have another question for you. You say a aoman has control over her wonb, and presumably the being inside. Is that because she created it?

Your like a POS, I tell you.
I expressed several times in that thread too that the blame was not entirely the governments fault, but clearly the ability to choose an abortion makes them an accomplice.I am going to take all mis-quote from you now, as a persoanl attack on my character.another BS statement: Again, this is all attacks on the person, I am sick of it.
If you can't quote me correctly, then you must be incapable of understanding anything on this board.

I told you already it was a mutual decision. And yes the government allowed us to choose, they told us it was ok, by making it legal. My liberal mother told me it was ok, because of her liberal belief's.
With all the information at hand, it seemed like an ok thing to do, until about a second after it happened.You also need to stop mis-quoting me, I am taking all this as personal attacks on me. What I can't understand is that even though I made it clear several hundred times that this thread is not about taking away anything from anyone, it's about calling it what it is. I expressed that I do not completely know if it is right or wrong, yet you choose to ignore that fact, and continue to insult me.This is BS crash, stop the shit. You are a horrible debater. Dealt with lies and insults, how can anyone accept anything you say?

Hey dopey, for the thousanth time, I am not saying to make abortion illegal, wtf is your problem?You obviously feel that if you omit to it not be an actual right other than just being legal, that some how that is grounds to make it illegal again?

Wait is it she has control over her body, or say?

More stupid analogys. Can't you ever just address the point, or at least make an analogy within the context of the discussion?If I were to use your analogy, then you are saying that abortion is wrong, since running up high credit card debt is wrong too.So in a sense, within your analogy, you admitted to abortion being wrong, even though it is legal.Abortion is ok, because the government has deemed it ok. There are no governement warnings about it. Yes, our legal system is part of what makes up our morals.
I was morally correct for supporting an abortion.

Well isn't that what this thread is about, a chance for all of us to come to a conclusion of just exactly what is?Too bad your so hell bent on arguing with me, you might have noticed that is what it is about.

First off, I want to thank you, for sticking up for me, and what I am trying to say, whether you support it or not. Thanks Having realized that you do not have trouble understanding what I am saying, then that it must be crash and scraf who are in denial. They must understand perfectly what I am saying, but will not admit to it. We are at the point of beating a dead horse, especially when the people debating aren't realistic, and pocess hte capability to be so.I do not consider crash or schraf unintelligent, so it must be something else then. I wish I could get to the heart of that matter. There is obviuously emotions involved, not logic, so all rational discussion is out the window. No matter how simply it is explained, they will pretend like they don't get it, and that I am a fool for thinking this way. I think we should drop it, they know what they do.

It's not free will that makes her lose a right, it's consent.
It's that birth control is not 100% full proof, so there is no garauntee that she won't become pregnant.Your question is the exact opposite of what I asked in the op, to help me understand this concept a little better, and that is, what makes it a right, other than being legal?

How does it feel? Whew, good thing I am not a creationist. But I was starting to think the same of you and schraf, like a sort of EVC conspiracy or something. That statement id false, and here is the reason why. The opposite of what you say would not be true then. Being drunk is disallowed in many instances, yet it is still a right to be drunk.You are only refering to legal rights in your statement, and yet at the begining of this thread, I stated I was not talking about the legal right, or the fact that it is allowed.Human rights are niether allowed or disallowed, yet they are rights. Now your calling me un-American, way to go. I guess you think your the only one that can do the name calling in here? You still have not made a case, only just disagreed with me, and insulted me.

So all this control is only based on what is legal, and what is available.What gives a woman a right over the zygote inside of her? Has she no resonsibility for creating it?She can not exercise any of this "control" without affecting another form of life. What gives her a right to do so? You seemed to have dogdged that one. Oh, why because it didn't go your way? Maybe we should just stay away from analogys forever. You seem to stress the responsibility, and the irresponsibility of people a lot. So I guess a woman has no responsibility to the life she help create? But that is why I showed you that it is wrong to run up high credit card bills. You cannot make an analogy, when the reasons for what happen differ greatly. It's out of context. People run up high credit card bills, and its wrong. Plus I don't find it a right to go for bankruptcy, that's a privilage. It's very wrong to me. Well that doesn't make it a right or not a right, being in the hands of the individual. I am not saying in this thread that it does, or doesn't belong in the hands of the individual, yet you still argue that point. Amazing. Yes, partially. It's not always about black and white. Yet you spent so much time in here, strange. I never said anyone is wrong. You cannot convince me, just by disagreing with me.You are the only one who has even attempted to make a point refuting what I am saying, and that has to do with control. You and scientist have been discussing just what that control is. I discussed it with you too, and it is not a hands down clear answer as to why it is a right.Modulus (hope he is better) and many others thinks it comes down to when life starts in the womb, which seems to go beyond just having control.Your thoughts on control also seem to defy all laws of responsibility. You even called it being stupid and irresponsible, and then called getting an abortion irresponble too. That does little to argue in favor of it being a right, other than it being legal.There are many sides to this debate, and if we could leave our feelings out of it, and stop making stupid analogys, maybe some truth could come to light. Didn't we cover this way back?
Other than it being a legal right to do so, no. Being treated for AIDS is a privelage. Which is in direct proportion to the available treatment.If there was no treatment for AIDS, would we still have a right to treatment? What kind of right is that?I've condensed all your replies......again...... as I am sure you are just trying to make 300 posts ASAP.

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I don't have a problem with being wrong, unlike some. But I cannot be wrong, just because you say I am wrong.You say no-one has a right to force a woman, but that is a strawman? No one has forced a woman to do anything, don't you get it? She is the one who consented, and got herself pregnant, with the help of some sperm (which you guys guys keep avoiding)The man has no say in any of this, yet it was half his biological function that made it happen, and both consented. You guys are like woman chauvinist pigs. There are no equal rights for men? ..|..false....again? gmafbAnd you think all life is precious, except the one in the uterus.

Rights - WikipediaDoes a woman have a natural right to abortion?

That means nothing, back up a step or two. No-one forced her to get pregnant, so by rights, no-one can force her to have the child, if it is not a natural right.By saying that your forcing a woman to have a child, after she willingly consents to intercourse and gets peregnant, is like saying we raped her. You can't change reality. I guess you haven't been reading.
When I play the lotto, I do not consent to losing.
It's really a non-issue this thing of not wanting to get pregnant.