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Problems with the Big Bang theory

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Message 263 of 303 (370129)
12-16-2006 12:56 AM 		Reply to: Message 260 by Rob
12-16-2006 12:36 AM

back towards the Big Bang
The BB is a perfect example of this. There is simply no reason (or meaning) to infer, if one is operating from a position of actual neutrality.
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Again, the BB has NOTHING to do with causes. It does not refute or challenge GOD in anyway. It is simply a conclusion based on the evidence.
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If you pay attention you will find that there are quite a few theist and even staunch Christians here that support the Big Bang.
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Since the worldview of a scientist is typically claimed to be one of agnosticism in regards to theism, a pure scientist in that stripe would infer nothing, because we simply cannot ever know all the facts by his own presupposition.
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And that shows again a misunderstanding. Scientists can be theist. They can be Christians.
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Science, the practice of Science, the Scientific Method, excludes the supernatural from study only because by definition, it cannot be measured, quantified and observed. GOD is NOT a Natural Force.
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If GOD were subject to scientific study GOD would have to be only natural. GOD would have to be nothing but another natural phenomena like magnetism or gravity or light.
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Are you saying GOD is not supernatural but just another substance to be codified?
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12-16-2006 3:02 PM 		Reply to: Message 272 by Rob
12-16-2006 2:47 PM

Re: Why it is irrelevant.
Just a comment since you are new here. Threads are closed at around 300 posts. This is for several reasons. One is that by then, most anything related to the Original Post has been said and by closing the current thread it is possible to start another more closely reflects the current state of the discussion. Another reason is related to the current state of art of our forum software.
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Just what you to understand that this thread is coming up on closing and so we are at the point where it is time to begin summary type posts.
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If you stop in Chat I would be happy to try to explain any other customs and procedures unique to EvC.
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12-16-2006 7:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 276 by Rob
12-16-2006 7:37 PM

Re: summary
BTW, I just tried chat and all I got was a grey screen.
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Make sure you have a recent Java, the current one is 1.05.09 IIRC
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12-16-2006 8:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 278 by Rob
12-16-2006 8:00 PM

Re: summary
Go to your profile. At the bottom is a selection to clear all the cookies set by this board. Clear the cookies and then close your browser. You will have to log in again to EvC. See if that works.
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12-17-2006 9:08 AM 		Reply to: Message 289 by Apolo
12-17-2006 1:49 AM

Way way off topic.
Almost NOTHING in your message has any relationship to this topic.
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If you wish to discuss the origin of hands then do it in one of the biology threads.
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If you want to discuss meaning do it over on the Faith side.
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If you want to discuss whether or not the Bible is valid or any of the many errors and contradictions in the Bible, do it in Bible Accuracy and Inerrancy.
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The closest you come to anything related to this topic is:
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But instead, your hand was just accidence, created by an explosion from a Universe that has no controller or creator.
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and that is wrong because the Big Bang was not an explosion and it was not from a universe and it has nothing to do with the origin of your hand.
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I know you are new here and so folk are going easy on you but you seem to be supremely ignorant of what Science says and so have posted message after message that is simply wrong and unrelated to the topic.
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12-17-2006 12:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 297 by Rob
12-17-2006 11:51 AM

Re: Why it is irrelevant.
But do you notice that psychology tries to deal with the issue in natural terms? I don't think it can adequately deal with human struggles by reducing them to mere chemicals and mechanics.
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Appearently, neither do all psychologists, and the debate is an old one.
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Psychologists have never reduced such things to mere chemicals and mechanics. Having been married to a practicing clinical psychologist for almost two decades I can personally attest to that.
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Psychiatrists however do deal with what certainly are those areas where chemistry and mechanics are relevant, and there is abundant evidence that chemistry and mechanics are definitely part of the picture and increasing evidence that genetics also plays a part.
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BUT again; None of this has anything to do with the Big Bang.
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12-17-2006 12:49 PM 		Reply to: Message 300 by Rob
12-17-2006 12:46 PM

Re: Why it is irrelevant.
Not trying to sound austere, but if it has nothing to do with the topic, then why are you responding?
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To point out that what you said is Off Topic as well as incorrect.
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Psychology != Psychiatry.
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