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Author Topic:   What is the biggest bible contradiction?
jar
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Message 301 of 311 (370420)
12-17-2006 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by Rob
12-17-2006 3:55 PM


Genesis 3:5
"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
It is also known as humanism.
Of course that is NOT what the Bible says or implies at all. It says nothing about humanism and in fact GOD Herself acknowledges that humans have become like Gods in many ways.
Genesis 3 still:
22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
The man is become as one of us
Nothing there about humanism.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Brian
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Message 302 of 311 (370421)
12-17-2006 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Rob
12-17-2006 3:51 PM


May I suggest C.S. Lewis' book called miracles? It really does address the issue of the 'miraculous' well.
I have read a lot of Lewis, and he is a very skilful writer, very easy to read. I have enjoyed a few of his books, in fact I only finished reading 'Surprised by Joy' on Friday. I think he was certain to return to Christianity and he basically talked himself into it. But that doesn't take away from his quality as a writer.
But to answer your question... I think it is very likely, but not necessarily in the context of historical research (whatever that means).
It means how can we verify the likelihood that the event happened. How do we go about checking if it was possible? Have we anything to compare it with, do any other writers mention it, is it something that was likely to happen unnoticed?
Who writes the history, makes all the difference in the world.
of course it does, all of history is constructed by the human mind.
It's funny you know? Even if you witnessed a 'miracle', I wonder if you would attribute it to God?
We would first have to define what a miracle is and if what happened fits into that defintion, or if there was a natural explanation for it. Even if it was a 'miracle' it doesn't follow that there is a God.
Jesus said that even if someone was raised from the dead, that 'they' (the unbelieing) would still not believe.
Of course He would have to say that, covering the bases.
Maybe if Jesus came to earth and performed this task under scientific conditions then He would be taken seriously. But, as it stands, Jesus isn't really any more credible than any other magician.
Some people think that there must be a natural explanation to everything.
Well, to be fair, there always is.
If that is true, then the natural world would be absolute!
It may well be.
But, isn't the natural world the only world we can examine and verify?
And yet somehow, it is the naturalists who dismiss the absolute.
Christians have their absolutes as well you know.
However, when we examine the Gospels and add up the errors in them, including the historical inaccuracies, it is really only fair to reject them as reliable. There may well be some truth in them, but I think it would be difficult to weed these things out.
Brian.

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Message 303 of 311 (370422)
12-17-2006 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Chiroptera
12-17-2006 3:57 PM


That reminds me... I wanted to suggest we have a one on one discussion on the need for a cause. We were discussing it earlier in this thread. Perhaps a great debate, but I really don't want a win or lose tooth and claw debate so much as an open discussion with you on the subject. I absolutely adore the way you think.
Would you be willing to go back and find those exchanges and propose such a senario?

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Rob 
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Message 304 of 311 (370423)
12-17-2006 4:11 PM
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12-17-2006 4:07 PM


The hound is on your trail Brian...

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Message 305 of 311 (370424)
12-17-2006 4:13 PM


I am very concerned we are going to get slapped for topic violation. Would you like to propose a great debate in which we can let the topics and disciplines fly?

Brian
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Message 306 of 311 (370425)
12-17-2006 4:14 PM
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12-17-2006 4:11 PM


The hound is on your trail Brian...
Nah.
I was set free from the myth of Christ a long time ago.
I hope you don't waste your whole life away self deluding yourself into thinking some ancient campfire tales are true.
Brian.

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Message 307 of 311 (370426)
12-17-2006 4:14 PM
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12-17-2006 4:07 PM


read 305... accually we are at 300 posts so the thread will be closed soon.
Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

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Brian
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Message 308 of 311 (370427)
12-17-2006 4:17 PM
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12-17-2006 4:14 PM


I think we are within topic range
But the thread will be closed soon as there's a software problem when threads go over 300 messages.
I'm sure there will be a part two though.
Brian.

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Message 309 of 311 (370428)
12-17-2006 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by jar
12-17-2006 4:02 PM


If man becomes the God of the world (which he has) through his suducing spirit (the serpent), then what we have is humanism.
Fortunately, God will not allow that to be absolute, because He is good. All of this msery and decay brought about by our humanistic optimism, will be one day reconciled once and for all.
Edited by scottness, : No reason given.
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jar
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Message 310 of 311 (370429)
12-17-2006 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by Rob
12-17-2006 4:19 PM


Just pointing out why God was afraid in Genesis 3.
I was simply pointing out what God said in Genesis 3. He said nothing about humanism, nothing about a "suducing[sic] spirit", only that Man had become as one of us.
I think you must be one of those Christians who think there was some Fall.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 311 of 311 (370430)
12-17-2006 4:25 PM


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