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Author Topic:   Morality Decreasing With Time?
nator
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Message 11 of 305 (370473)
12-17-2006 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Rob
12-17-2006 2:35 PM


Well, I've got to say, that your post didn't really explain anything or support your position at all.

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nator
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Message 123 of 305 (371258)
12-20-2006 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Rob
12-19-2006 10:00 AM


Re: The semi-hidden moral reality...
That story is obviously fiction.
There are so many logical holes; it is really just a slightly better-written text version of a Jack Chick tract.

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nator
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Message 124 of 305 (371263)
12-20-2006 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by anastasia
12-19-2006 2:36 PM


Re: The semi-hidden moral reality...
quote:
Well, I should rephrase it. God is the moral norm, and God can't change, so morals can't change.
1) Why can't God change?
2) God seems to change quite a lot in the bible.

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nator
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Message 125 of 305 (371268)
12-20-2006 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Larni
12-19-2006 2:58 PM


Re: Botched home op.
quote:
Did the lack of an option of doing anything other than a hair brain home abortion not reflect the profound anxiety generated by their going against the social norms of the church? If the church kept away from the pair of them the home abortion would not have been entertained as an option.
The driver for behviour is always thoughts and beliefs. Get the wrong beliefs and you do stupid thisngs.
That's the message I got from that story:
Their religion made them worry more about how they appeared to everybody else, which is why they tried to do the abortion in secret.
They had a conflict where their strict dogma ran up against the realities of their lives.
Apparently, they were also so stupid that they didn't realize that they should use contraception if they wanted to avoid pregnancy.
I guess I also learned that I shouldn't use Christian doctors because if any of them are as stupid as these Christian medical students were, I don't want them anywhere near me.

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nator
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Message 126 of 305 (371273)
12-20-2006 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Rob
12-19-2006 4:23 PM


Re: The semi-hidden moral reality...
quote:
Anastasia must be another incarnation of Rob as well. We're all born of the same Spirit.
No, your writing style is exactly like Rob's, and anastasia's isn't.
Anastasia also actually paricipates in a back and forth, where you, rob, do not.

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nator
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Message 139 of 305 (371361)
12-21-2006 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by anastasia
12-20-2006 8:56 PM


Re: The semi-hidden moral reality...
God seems to change quite a lot in the bible.
quote:
Is that like 'the moon seems to grow smaller from earth'?.
1) No.
2) Huh?

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nator
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Message 228 of 305 (372066)
12-24-2006 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by Buzsaw
12-23-2006 6:57 PM


Re: Communication and Morality
quote:
Until recent centuries the majority of the cultures, tribes and nations of earth were not in communication with one another, yet for the most part some fundamental moralities and culture similarities were somewhat universal, such as murder, male leadership role, family structure, man/woman family role, et al.
Not really.

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nator
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Message 230 of 305 (372071)
12-24-2006 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by crashfrog
12-24-2006 4:40 PM


Re: On Absolutes
quote:
That actions speak louder than words, which is why a Lawful Good Human Paladin, a Chaotic Neutral Elf Ranger, and a Neutral Evil Half-Orc Rogue can all be in the same party. At the end of the day, the villagers aren't going to be concerned that the Paladin fought the goblins for the glory of Heironymous, the Ranger fought them to impress the mayor's daughter, and the Rogue fought them for treasure and the thrill of killing.
That the goblins were exterminated from the surrounding hills and will no longer steal cattle and harass travelers is sufficient reason for the villagers to laud the adventurers as heroes.
Love the nerdy example.
quote:
That someone did the right thing for the wrong reason might make them a bad person, and potentially someone to watch out for in the future (because a habit of doing the right thing for the wrong reason pretty quickly becomes doing the wrong things for the wrong reason), but it doesn't make their actions morally wrong.
For all of you who DO like Firefly, I'm reminded by Crash here of the Janestown episode.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 269 of 305 (372263)
12-26-2006 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by Rob
12-24-2006 10:38 PM


Re: The perfect moral example...
Rob, do you think it is honest to register under a new ID at a forum where one has been banned?
Yes or no?
(A single word answer is all that is required)

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nator
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Message 270 of 305 (372266)
12-26-2006 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Buzsaw
12-24-2006 11:14 PM


Re: Communication and Morality
Not really
quote:
Oh, I see. I never really thought of that.
Buz, you constantly make unsupported claims and expect everybody else to simply believe you.
Why can't I just deny your unsupported claim in exactly the same manner in which you make it?

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nator
Member (Idle past 2191 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 271 of 305 (372267)
12-26-2006 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by joshua221
12-25-2006 11:52 AM


Prophex, since you are obviously much brighter, better educated, and wiser than us idiots, why don't you explain where we've gone wrong?
Teach us, O Master of All Deep Knowledge! Relieve our ignorance!

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