Dialogue Between Satan and God in the Book of Job

Jon, who created satan?

This is a pathetic reply. My parents created me, and that does not make them immune from my manipulation. Your argument is baseless, and I do hope to God that no one else replies to it!J0N

I'll ask you again, who created satan.

I have been arguing that nothing that happened to Job was "evil". If you think the text shows evil, show us. Chapter and verse. The terrorists had an evil intent and that led to an evil result. But you haven't shown evil intent on the part of God or Satan. Once again, you're confusing "cause" with "allow". The wind does blow and it does knock houses down. There is no need to "cause" that. The wind happened to knock down Job's son's house and the brothers and sisters died. If they hadn't died that day, they would have died the next day or the next year or decades later. Where is the evil?

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How do you know that?
Maybe they were just carrying out Allah's will, maybe 911 was just a side effect of a bet between Allah and Satan.

Empty speculation. We'll discuss it when there's a book in the Bible about it.Don't duck the issue. Show us the evil intent in the Book of Job.Edited by Ringo, : Fixed quote attribution.

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So, which one are you arguing? Make up your mind! So, Satan is not behind any of the bad things that happen to Job? The dialogue about which this thread is focused does not serve a purpose to set up the story?Since you are set on using the rest of the story, check out this:

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Job 42:11 -- Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintances before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him...

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According to this, these things WERE evil, and they were brought upon Job by God Himself, and not Satan, as is implied in the opening dialogue around which this thread focuses.Are you still going to argue that these things were not evil?J0N

In this thread, I am arguing that there was no "evil intent" in the misfortunes that befell Job. Satan was simply an employee helping God with an experiment.I asked you for evidence that Satan is an "evil-doer" to get you to actually look at the text. Finally... but you didn't have to go that far to find the word "evil".You only had to go to chapter 2. Check out this:

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Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

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The "evil" refers to misfortune rather than intentional evil like a terrorist attack. Look at the events themselves: Job's flocks were stolen, his servants were killed by the thieves and his children died in a weather-related mishap. None of those events implies intentional "evil" on God's part. So what happened to your argument that Satan tricked God into giving him the power? I can understand your confusion, since the word "evil" is used to describe the events. But you have to look at the events themselves and understand that the way you have been using the word "evil" does not apply.Look at Job's own words: "shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?" He is saying that there are good things and bad things in life. He is not accusing God of doing "evil" in the same way you are.

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Here's one possible explanation for the purpose of this:God got his way.
1. A great host angels (i.e. cloud of witnesses/Hebrews 12:1) observe goings on on planet earth, God's show place and battle ground for the demise of evil which erupted in the universe via the rebellion of Satan and a large number of angels.
2. The other sons of God present and all observing angels are about to be shown that Satan will fail to break Jobs allegience to God as Satan persuaded the angels to do.
3. God was to not only show and tell the host of heaven, but have included in his manual to mankind, the Holy Bible, how humans can overcome the enemy, Satan and to show that doing so would eventually have been the best choice both on earth and in the end time judgement.
4. The primary show here is to the angels as with the temptation of Jesus by Satan to show that Satan, the prince of the power of the air can be overcome and will eventually come to his demise, the kingdom of God coming to earth via the messiah and the universe will be rid of the evil which arose in it via rebellion.Perhaps planet earth was created to become the ultimate battlegound between good and evil where the rebellion of Heaven will come to a firey end. Read in Revelation chapter 12, the account of the rebellion in Heaven with Satan and his angels eventually being cast out of Heaven to earth where they will be defeated to be cast into the lake of fire which has been prepared for them.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

I fail to see the evil I'm afraid. The Lord gave Job loads of great things. He took some of them away, and gave some back. The Lord didn't have to give Job anything to begin with, and Job could never have existed and spent time with his family and friends.Unless, of course, you feel that death itself is evil. However, if you are going to say that then you should be pointing to Genesis rather than Job. As it stands, nothing happens in Job that is any more evil than sickness, death and poverty that happens throughout geography and time anyway.

I do not believe that it implies unintentional evil either. It is really left for interpretation. I do have to ask you, though. Does not the story (especially the set up that this topic is about) imply that the bad events are brought on by Satan? Look further:

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Job 2:3 -- And the LORD said unto Sa'-tan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God and esceweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although though movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

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I'd say the last bit here shows that it was Satan who caused the ill things that so far have happened to Job. I said, in the OP, that there are two possibilities. One that God was tricked, the other that God enabled evil against one of his survants. This part shows that there is conflict within the story. It makes it difficult to sort things out. And it leaves a lot open to interpretation; not unlike your average Bible story really. Where in the text does it say that? Chapter and verse?You act like you're playing me, and I don't know your personality well enough to tell, but be warned... I'm angry !J0N

He isn't just taking away from Job though, I mean, He is killing someone TOO! Don't forget that Job's family are people just as much as Job is.I know that sickness and death happen all the time, but are you going to say that it is just as okay for it to happen even when intentionally caused? If someone poisons the water supply and all the people die, isn't that person evil? Doesn't that show some evil intent? I mean, water can be poisoned naturally, but intent is the real kicker here. It makes the act evil.J0N

God kills a lot of people. Everyone, actually. See Genesis.

Yes I was speculating, I did use the word "maybe"But you were not speculating when you wrote;

We know that three other planes were hijacked on that day, with evil result. Does anybody really doubt that the fourth set of hijackers had evil intent, even though their intent was thwarted?My speculation is based on similar events. Yours is based on what?

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