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Author Topic:   King David found guilty on all counts.
Rob 
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Message 7 of 174 (370793)
12-19-2006 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
12-18-2006 9:23 AM


It is plain to see! David was a sinner in need of a savior.
In all candor jar, I wonder what it is you are suggesting?
That David was fallen?
That he did something immoral?
That he was weak?
That he was evil?
Or... that he was human and guilty of nothing?
That he failed to live out a belief in righteousness as every person who has lived excepting one?
There is, of course, the option of setting the bar elsewhere, whereas we have not only achieved the objective, but exceeded it.
It's plain to see!
What worldview are you promoting by bringing up this unscrupulous episode in Biblical history?
What do you want to hear?

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Message 8 of 174 (370796)
12-19-2006 12:32 AM
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12-18-2006 4:38 PM



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Message 13 of 174 (370858)
12-19-2006 11:23 AM
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12-19-2006 9:54 AM


Re: Trials and tribulations
I'll investigate... thanks for the tip.

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Message 15 of 174 (370870)
12-19-2006 11:58 AM
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12-19-2006 11:47 AM


Re: Why bring it up?
I found your reply very informative. Thank you for your candor.
I was not sure what direction this might take. One possibility, and one that I had some hope might come up, is the idea that Christian teaching, at least at the Church and Sunday School level, might finally begin to honestly explore Christian history just as Hebrew University is exploring Jewish History.
I don't think Christian orthodoxy could more accurately portray all men, than portraying them as depraved, desperately wicked, and in absolute need of a savior.
Many terrible acts have happened in the past in the name of Christianity and they continue today. In many ways, Christianity is one of the more bankrupt religions on today's scene. If there is to be hope of changing Christianity we must first acknowledge what we, as Christians, have done wrong in the past, examine honestly what we are doing now and try at the least, not repeat the errors of the past.
I don't think it's a matter of avoidance in reapeating the errors of the past. We are inherently programed to repeat them. It's our nature!
You appear to me, to be condemning what is perfectly natural. How can we look to anything other than something above ourselves (or the transcendant) with which to stop what you find so offensive?

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Message 17 of 174 (370876)
12-19-2006 12:26 PM
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12-19-2006 12:15 PM


Re: Steps to sollution?
Talk about informative!

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Message 18 of 174 (370881)
12-19-2006 12:44 PM
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12-19-2006 12:15 PM


Re: Steps to sollution?
What an absolute copout. That is certainly the weak and easy answer. Let GOD do it.
It is either a copout or it isn't.
But it is weak. The cross challenges everything you believe in materila terms. The right to power and the right to use that power.
But it is weak. That's why it's true.
You got an intersection with all kinds of raods. Power, fame, senuality etc. And then there is this old wooden cross. Th old timber is terribly out of place among the others.
Our only alternative to God diong it, is to do it ourself!
If we do it ourself, then we by implication play God.
We can't hanlde the forbidden fruit jar. The weakness is in admitting that I have failed.
Some people are not strong enough to be weak.

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