Morality Decreasing With Time?

So; is that supposed to mean that the reason for the decline is something we fail to percieve?How does that work?

I really think that you will find that the reverse is true. The immediate trials and tribulations of life in eras before ours (and in countries with less labour saving technologies) would have allowed for far less time to be spent on interospection than we are used to in (well I'm in the UK) the Western World.With our ability to take more time as leisure time we have more 'time' to devote to interospective thoughts.The very fact that the question of decaying morals is a question for us implies we have that 'free time' to ponder such questions. I would contend that people working day after day just to survive (as was the case for the majority in a pre 21st century technology society) spend most of their time thinking 'survival thoughts'.In the UK I don't have to think 'survival thoughts' past making sure I do my job in such a way so as not to get fired. With more time on my hands I can devote it to pass times and hobbies that would appear 'indulgent' or 'decadent' or even 'immoral' to my conservative Victorian ancestors.Just because morals now are different to morals from the past does not mean they are decaying.That is unless you assume that 'good morals' are fixed as good at some point in time and deviation from that point is, well devient.

The story you posted shows me one thing and one thing only. If the couple did not have a religious objection to going to a professional, the entire snafu would not have occured.It's not question of morals in this case. It's a religions ability to force the couple to take a high risk option that caused the above tragedy.A very sad story that would not have occured if they had no anxieties leaned from their church. I mean for gods sake, why did they not call a doctor before the minister?

If this was a science thread I would call you on this point. I would counter argue that enlightened self interest is a major driver of 'morality'. What works for the society, works.Morality is a fashion. If you tie a religion to a morality (as I contend you are doing) the religion may go down (fnar fnar) with with the fashion.However, the fact that xianity is still banging around despite a multitdue of cultural revolutions would indicate to me that religion is not the driver of morality.As it satands I would ask you to read some of Deuterononmy and Leviticus and come back to me about religion driving morality. I'm pretty sure I have given a reasonably convincing arguement that (sans religion) this assertion hold no water. Good is what people say it is. Okay, I'll bite, what exactly make you think this?

Dude, that is so not what I'm saying. The devil has nothing to do with two people being too scared to to have an abortion or even (for christ sake) have the baby adopted!If nobody had said "Abortion is sufficiently wrong that you should entertain risking your bloody life!" there would be no social pressure to conform to a set of (outdated) religious strictures.That is my only contention here.Devil and god be damned as a good reason to risk your life. Did the lack of an option of doing anything other than a hair brain home abortion not reflect the profound anxiety generated by their going against the social norms of the church? If the church kept away from the pair of them the home abortion would not have been entertained as an option.The driver for behviour is always thoughts and beliefs. Get the wrong beliefs and you do stupid thisngs.

Dude! Are you blind to the fact that it was the religious thought patterns learned by the couple that caused the botched operation? If they had no worries about being sanctioned by the church they would have went to a real doctor.

Again and again and again!If the couple were not indoctrinated into xianity they would have had a propper abortion under a real doctor.There would have been not tragedy other than the abortion that was going ahead anyway.Is xianty realy more important than people?

Damn straight, that man!Love your sig, Dude.

Thats the great thing about dogma: it come first second and last. Humanity does not get a look in.

How ironic that the higher the level of education one has the the less religious one is (and less likely one is to commit a crime).

Bugger; what a waste of my typing time.

My point is that you cannot claim legitimacy for the bible with special pleading to intellectual authority.