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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't think Christian orthodoxy could more accurately portray all men, than portraying them as depraved, desperately wicked, and in absolute need of a savior. What an absolute copout. That is certainly the weak and easy answer. Let GOD do it.
I don't think it's a matter of avoidance in reapeating the errors of the past. We are inherently programed to repeat them. It's our nature! Again with the excuses. You are certainly illuminating why so much of Christianity today is morally bankrupt and thus, quite honestly, at best irrelevant and at worst, malignant. It goes against everything that Jesus taught.
You appear to me, to be condemning what is perfectly natural. How can we look to anything other than something above ourselves (or the transcendant) with which to stop what you find so offensive? We might turn to Jesus teachings, to the lessons from the Bible. We received the GIFT in the Garden of Eden, the Knowledge of Good and Evil. With that gift came a charge; we should try to do what is right, try not to do what is wrong and when we fail, honestly acknowledge that failure and try to do better in the future. It really is as simple as that. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Talk about informative!
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
What an absolute copout. That is certainly the weak and easy answer. Let GOD do it. It is either a copout or it isn't. But it is weak. The cross challenges everything you believe in materila terms. The right to power and the right to use that power. But it is weak. That's why it's true. You got an intersection with all kinds of raods. Power, fame, senuality etc. And then there is this old wooden cross. Th old timber is terribly out of place among the others. Our only alternative to God diong it, is to do it ourself! If we do it ourself, then we by implication play God. We can't hanlde the forbidden fruit jar. The weakness is in admitting that I have failed. Some people are not strong enough to be weak.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3311 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
riverrat writes:
I wasn't comparing myself to the bible. I was comparing myself to King David, who was suppose to be this moral and value conservative republican... I don't think that the bible codons what David did, but points out that it was wrong. God was suppose to be all knowing and yet he chose a man that couldn't keep his penis in his pants to be king.
Who knows, given the right circumstance, you might have "went for it."
I lived with my friend David for some time and one time when he was away at work I saw his girlfriend naked coming out of the shower. I think she purposely kept the bathroom door open... Anyhow, I apologized and promptly left the house. I'm a human being. I don't let my penis control me. A king chosen by god? We should at least expect a little more from him, don't you think? Unless of course you were referring to yourself... George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Brian Member (Idle past 4979 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Mainly because Hebrew University brought it up Do you think that they are being so jolly about it because they know that David didn't exist and that it is the meanings behind the David myths that are important? Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4979 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
It is plain to see! David was a sinner in need of a savior. You are confusing Christian theology with Jewish theology. Not everyone was a sinner in the OT. There is no original sin in Judaism, and Jews believe that humans enter the world sin free, but only sin because they are not perfect. In fact sin had quite a different meaning in many instances in the OT. Brian.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It is either a copout or it isn't. But it is weak. The cross challenges everything you believe in materila terms. The right to power and the right to use that power. But it is weak. That's why it's true. You got an intersection with all kinds of raods. Power, fame, senuality etc. And then there is this old wooden cross. Th old timber is terribly out of place among the others. Our only alternative to God diong it, is to do it ourself! If we do it ourself, then we by implication play God. We can't hanlde the forbidden fruit jar. The weakness is in admitting that I have failed. Some people are not strong enough to be weak. What? Sorry but just more copout and yet another example that many Christians don't have a clue what Christianity is all about. Read the Gospels. They are about doing. Not about stepping back and saying "I can't do it. Poor little me." Read Jesus messages, they are all about doing. Your ass falls in a crack on the sabbath? Don't wait until the next day, pull it out. You have excess? Give some of it to others. Read Matthew 25:33-46. It clearly says "do it". Do it yourself. Do it just because it is the right thing to do. Don't do it FOR Jesus. If you do the right thing for others you will have done it for Him. Check out the thread Message 1. Read the whole thread. Living a Christian life is not about platitudes, it is about doing. Simple, not easy. But it really is as simple as that. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
So what, David was human. I'm human, too. Will fundies shrug like this if I commit murder and adultery as well? ___ Archer All species are transitional.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes and no. I am not sure whether they think David actually existed. Personally I imagine that there was some factual person the stories are based on. There might even have been some confederation of city-states that some King held sway over.
But I do think they understand that the meanings behind the myths are important. I imagine that like the Exodus Myths, the Conquest of Canaan myths and others there may be some kernel of actual history hidden within. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Brian Member (Idle past 4979 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
I imagine that like the Exodus Myths, the Conquest of Canaan myths and others there may be some kernel of actual history hidden within. I think they may well be little kernels in there, and these actual historical kernels do not necessarily need to have involved Israelites. I'm not so sure about David though. Anyway im OT no doubt. Brian.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Check out Jars original King David link and you will find your answer. It was a mock trial. Right, but why a mock trial for somebody so transparently guilty, who wrote a psalm on the very event in question (see Psalm 51)? The trial would seem to insinuate that the preponderance thinks David was in the right, or if he wasn't, that he refused to admit guilt. But that isn't the case. We all know the story of David, Uriah, and Bathsheba. David committed a series of egregious sins. There's no doubt about that. To me, having a mock trial seems like overkill. The fact that he was guilty was never an issue. I don't anyone who contests that fact. "A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, heading back towards David, the story itself is one that contains impossibilities and also gives us a glimpse into what likely was normal political life then as well as right down to today.
One example is David's purge of Saul's heirs. They would have been a danger to his rule, and in particular to the idea of creating a dynasty. The obvious solution is to kill them all, and he does. The one problem with the story, and one indication that it is actually several tales merged into one, is that after he kills them all off, he later finds yet one more. Further, it appears from the story that he knew about this spare all along. True to form, the course he selects is to tell the guy that all is forgiven and so persuades the sucker to "Come on Down." Big mistake. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Brian Member (Idle past 4979 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Right, but why a mock trial for somebody so transparently guilty To remind people of the story. To me this mock trial appears as purely didactic exercise. Brian.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I wasn't comparing myself to the bible. I didn't say you were.
I was comparing myself to King David, who was suppose to be this moral and value conservative republican... Who was also a man, and realized what he did was wrong, no big deal really, and not a reason to count the bible out as inaccurate.
God was suppose to be all knowing and yet he chose a man that couldn't keep his penis in his pants to be king. The bible claims there was only one person sin free.
A king chosen by god? We should at least expect a little more from him, don't you think? No. Big job, big mistakes.
Unless of course you were referring to yourself... Don't argue the person again, please....It invalidates anything you say when you do that. I lived with my friend David for some time and one time when he was away at work I saw his girlfriend naked coming out of the shower. I think she purposely kept the bathroom door open... Anyhow, I apologized and promptly left the house. Does that make you better than King David, or more advanced?Does this mean that God doesn't exist? Who knows what kind of things King David had to turn away from as king. He was just a man, just like you and I.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Who's shrugging?
and who's a fundie?
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