Morality Decreasing With Time?

I KNEW you would say that The absolute is still absolute.Grass is green..but how green? what shade? is green just blue and yellow in reality? can a blind person even understand this absolute?Every religion is an interpretation of The Absolute. But is God actually bound any of them? As everyone points out, religion is man-made, but that sure doesn't mean there is no God.

Still lost me.What is the Absolute, GREEN?What is the nickname of Kentucky?What does this have to do with "Morality Decreasing With Time?"

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Love is not always part of the equation?As some have shown in this thread, survival was of primary importance for societies at one point.Only when the society has reached a comfortable zone in loving itself, can it get around to loving its neighbor.

Just forget the green-ness.Love is the absolute.God is love.Even atheists can't deny feeling love and morality related to it.Which is why CS Lewis said the oft-quoted 'A man can not extinguish the sun by turning off the lights' thing-y.

I am going to try to respond to this post as well as your next post in this one response. Let me see if I understand what you are saying.You claim love is an absolute. But then you say that: Does that not then mean that Love is relative?If so, what is the Absolute "Love?"

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This is a totally circular argument. You have just brought us right back to 'love thy neighbor' is relative to 'as yourself'. I am saying again that it is not relative to this, but you can't properly do one without first doing the other. I might just ask you. I have read your belief statement, and if I am not mistaken, you both believe in God and believe that He is all-loving. Is His love an absolute to you, or is it relative?

By definition, something that is only related to me, to my personal beliefs can not be an universal Absolute.Since I have nothing that I can compare my beliefs against that will return and objective measure, how can I even know if my belief in GOD's love is absolute or relative?How can something that is unique to me, that cannot be experienced by you, by anyone other than me, be an Absolute?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I would think that the best thing to do is to realise that the Bible is a fairytale book.Given the evidence, this is the best conclusion.Brian.

Actually, we both know what he's going to give for the answer to your question... and it doesn't have an "o" in it.

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George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger

It isn't. It is your personal interpretation of one. Your interpretation, or opinion, does not change the Absolute, nor is it subject to your opinion of it, or relative to your opinion, restricted by it, or limited to it. In fact, it can be said that your opinion is irrelevent, as truth will continue as truth no matter how we interpret it.

um, no. none of these naturally or logically follow from the previous.why, if absolutes exist, must their sustained existence indicate intent? and why is intent indicicative of cognizance?I'm just asking, 'cause you, you didn't qualify any of these. your best link is actually the intent and cognizance, but unless sustained existence of absolutes does indicate intent, the argument still falls.oh, and liberal nonsense?
"help your fellow man".
liberal. and you call this nonsense? com'on.
not everything we liberals say is nonsense. just like everything you conservatives say isn't nonsense. try listening once in a while. you might just be surprised.

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Depends on what evidence you speak of. The impact the Bible has had on societies and individuals says that many people, even very intelligent people, continue to find something more than fairy tale about it.

Well, it is difficult to find anything in the Bible that we can confirm. There are some people and events of course, but the supernatural and the proven historical accuracies must undermine the reliability of the collection of texts. The impact has not always been for the good though, and very intelligent people can manipulate the not so intelligent by using the Bible.The Bible continues to have influence on the world. Look at Palestine, what right to the land does Israel have apart from the obvious false history in the books of Joshua and Judges?This is what Israel's claim to the land is based on, stories that have been shown to be untrue, yet the superpowers of UK and USA do all they can to keep Israel there, and even turn a blind eye to the terrorist acts that the Israeli government carries out on innocent Palestinians!So much for Bush's war on terror.I know Bush is a Christian, but he isn't one of the intelligent ones!Brian.

The supernatural is always inconfirmable. That is why we say 'I believe' instead of 'I know'. In even the most orthodox creeds of religion, there is the phrase 'We believe' which doesn't stop people running aroung saying they know there is a God, which claim never can be substantiated. Belief, however, can be substantiated, in the way that a doctor or psyciatrist can look at the symptoms and make a diagnosis. In other words, if you saw a man rise from the dead, you would have a good starting basis for belief in the supernatural. In that way, taking the Bible stories at face value there is plenty of evidence to make a person say 'I believe'.
Nonconfirmability does not rule out belief, only knowledge.Nevertheless, not being able to confirm the facts surrounding an incident is like a misdiagnosis by a doctor. If I have an ear-ache, the doctor will tell me what he believes is the cause. But if you go and tell him I have a toothache instead, and he tells me what he believes is the remedy, his belief will have absolutely no relevence to the truth.If you make the same case against the gospels, that they are misinformation passed along for analysis, then men have no hope in making a correct diagnosis. Finding proof of the gospels in history would go a long way in making belief stronger, but in the end it would still be belief. They can manipulate them without it, as well, and just as effectively. They can also manipulate people against the Bible. Yes, that is why some archaelogists are trying so hard to disprove the Bible stories. I hear you. I just heard a speech by him today, and he's getting desperately low on excuses.

Once again, what are those Absolutes?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion