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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Whoever Rob is, he must have tried to explain this to you before.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
It's strange you know?
I ask you to make an affirmation that says that absolute do not exist, and you do not answer. You instead ask for proof. That is the proof jar. The universe was created in a logical manner. Logic itself provides the answer. There is no other conclusion other than that absolute truth exists. Regardless of what reality turns out to be... perhaps it is that we are dead and that's it! Perhaps it is that we are caught up into the pantheistic oneness of it all. Whatever it is, it is absolute. Once you see that (and i did not until after my own rebirth, which means it may be useless to tell you) then you will get it! If it's all relative, then relativity is absolute and chaos is God. And if chaos is God, then there is nothing wrong with anything!
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
God seems to change quite a lot in the bible. quote: 1) No. 2) Huh?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
What has been said is that so far no one has presented an example of Absolute Truth or Absolute Morality that stands up to examination. If ever we were to reach a consensus, I think the Golden Rule would be the maxim of all maxim's. "A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Just because there's one absolute doesn't mean there are any others. There is quite a few others, most notably, physical constants.
Because to assert the existence of absolutes, but fail to provide even a single example, is what seems odd to me. If there are absolutes... what are they? The Golden Rule, which encompasses most things.
I didn't really feel "stung." I was able to defeat that line of reasoning in seconds, after all. Heh... hubris of the defeated.
quote: Uh, actually it looks like you completely avoided addressing my argument. I was talking about the kinds of people who frequent coffeehouses to whine. What did I neglect to cover? "A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It's strange you know? I ask you to make an affirmation that says that absolute do not exist, and you do not answer. You instead ask for proof. That is the proof jar. Once again:
Case in point. By hoisting this old canard, petards seemingly in short supply this season, the conartist is drawing your attention away from what has been said. No one has said that there are no absolutes. There may well be absolutes and in fact some absolutes may even be placed in evidence. What has been said is that so far no one has presented an example of Absolute Truth or Absolute Morality that stands up to examination. From Message 79 rob writes: There is no other conclusion other than that absolute truth exists. Fine. So present an example of an Absolute Truth that we can examine.
If it's all relative, then relativity is absolute and chaos is God. And if chaos is God, then there is nothing wrong with anything! That's of course incorrect. There can also be relative morals and relative laws and even arbitrary and capricious morals and laws. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If ever we were to reach a consensus, I think the Golden Rule would be the maxim of all maxim's. I agree that it is a great Maxim, but it is not an Absolute. For example, it has two parts, and how you treat others depends on how you would like to be treated. Remember, relative morals can still be powerful and at a very high level. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
There is quite a few others, most notably, physical constants. We don't know that there are any, though. There are simply physical values that seem arbitrary in our models and aren't observed to change. That may, or may not, mean they're constant. They could be derivative values, or not constant at all.
Heh... hubris of the defeated. Are you seriously claiming to have "defeated" me with an argument that I rebutted and that you haven't yet defended?
What did I neglect to cover? Any response whatsoever to my argument about relativism. Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
If ever we were to reach a consensus, I think the Golden Rule would be the maxim of all maxim's. I agree that it is a great Maxim, but it is not an Absolute. For example, it has two parts, and how you treat others depends on how you would like to be treated. That's hardly an example, IMO. But yeah on the no absolutes. WRT the golden rule: If you, yourself, did not want to be treated like you treat others, would you then NOT treat others as you would have them treat you?
Remember, relative morals can still be powerful and at a very high level. But never absolute
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
But to deny the existence of absolutes seems odd to me. How can anything be absolute? I mean, like, really absolute. Don't get me wrong, I believe in an absolute morality, but not because its logically possible or because there are actual examples of it. The only thing I can can back it up with is good ol' Goddidit.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
quote:What about masochists? George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
I believe in an absolute morality, but not because its logically possible or because there are actual examples of it. The only thing I can can back it up with is good ol' Goddidit. I certianly hope you aren't taking Yahweh as an example of absolute morality! Brian.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Thats the great thing about dogma: it come first second and last. Humanity does not get a look in.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
anastasia writes: Depends on what evidence you speak of. The impact the Bible has had on societies and individuals says that many people, even very intelligent people, continue to find something more than fairy tale about it. How ironic that the higher the level of education one has the the less religious one is (and less likely one is to commit a crime).
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