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Author Topic:   Morality Decreasing With Time?
joshua221 
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Message 184 of 305 (371929)
12-24-2006 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by anglagard
12-16-2006 7:13 PM


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Even warfare and genocide, while consuming vast numbers of people under Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, is less a threat overall today than in the past if one takes into account the percentage of the world’s population, rather than the raw number of people actually killed. For those unfamiliar with history, this is particularly true in the case of the Thirty Year War between Protestants and Catholics which is believed to have reduced the population of Germany in half, or in the depredations of Atila, Gengis Khan, or of colonialism. In the case of the latter, the Congo saw its population halved under the stewardship of Belgium’s Leopold II, and the Americas saw the reduction of the indigenous population by war and disease to less than 10% its former number.
To say that the "morality" of mankind has become reduced or has increased is absurd. Mankind is a history of individuals who dwell in mediocrity, monetary worth, and primitive workings. There are few areas within all of our history which stand to mark a life that was worthwhile. They stand in the minds of men like Socrates. This discussion as far as I can see is not one of much thought as the human condition directs us to an obvious answer. The majority of humans who have lived throughout history were men who lived for unworthy causes and possibly survival. Of course exceptions are among us.
To judge morality and its motion in regards to humans we must look at humans and their nature. We can see that whatever findings on the relationship between humanity and their choices we are looking at a constant; a set relationship of human morality. As humans are one thing: HUMANITY or MANKIND, the morality of HUMANS does not increase or decrease but rather stays the same throughout all of this one constant called MANKIND. How are you to judge or refute my claim? Cite examples from history to examine the human condition and you will find a science of repetition and redundancy, of mediocrity and crime. We are looking at a constant, a constant cannot change, mankind cannot change as it is what it is, humans. Humanity cannot transform into another life form or object, it is judged on the entire group and history of humans. This discussion is therefore absurd because of the consistency of human nature which is directly observable.
To all the Sophists who insist on saying that morality is subjective: You prefer a lifestyle which requires no thought.
Sophism (saying that subjectivity is in all forms of thought pertaining to ideas and understanding) produces the inability for any semblance of truth to be attained. A perfect model or ABSOLUTE exists which defines every idea; we strive for this perfect model in all of our action for knowledge and truth, without it we have no reason to understand, acquire knowledge, search for truth, and therefore LIVE as a human being who can reason and think.
SOPHISM IS DEAD, Plato killed it.
Stop saying that what is moral is subjective. Morality is not subjective.

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joshua221 
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Message 185 of 305 (371931)
12-24-2006 3:17 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Rob
12-24-2006 1:49 AM


Re: On Absolutes
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An absolute is that which is unchanging. By definition, God is the only absolute.
Absolutes are perfect unchanging models for which all things are accounted for. There is a perfect cat, a perfect definition for justice, etc... God is the holder of these absolutes, we cannot completely and truthfully answer with perfection the answers to questions pertaining to absolutes such as "What is truth" but we can "lead an examined life" and spend our lives in finding the answers. And then when we die we can know the answers. Because then we go to heaven and Jesus will smile at me and tell me everything I ever wanted to know and how the universe works. RIGHT??
That is what heaven is right? When we die the answers are shown to us right?
HHAHAAHA HOW ABSURD THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS, WHAT A CREATOR, THANK YOU GOD, THANK YOU.
We ate the fruit so now we can spend our lives with this imperfection and endless search, isn't it meaningless, we already know that we are limited in our abilities to reason and understand.
WHAT IS THIS!?!??!??!
I TELL YOU OF THESE ABSOLUTES FOR WHICH I LIVE MY LIFE FOR RIGHT?
BUT IT ISN'T A WORTHLESS PURSUIT, I WISH I WAS JUST A PRIMITIVE ANIMAL WITHOUT REASON AND MEMORY. AT LEAST THEN I WOULDN'T BE PRESENTED WITH THIS GODLINESS.
THANK YOU GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
wowoow whahhaa wow
Edited by prophex, : No reason given.

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joshua221 
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Message 192 of 305 (371976)
12-24-2006 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by Rob
12-24-2006 10:29 AM


Re: On Absolutes
No, I'm a Christian.
I don't know what about my post made it look like I wasn't.
Trying to make sense out of this argument.

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joshua221 
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Message 220 of 305 (372043)
12-24-2006 4:30 PM


Jar could you present a discussion on absolute morality?
Edited by prophex, : No reason given.

joshua221 
Inactive Member


Message 249 of 305 (372170)
12-25-2006 11:52 AM


It's like I come on here and noone can argue about the real thing. There is no truth here, just a bunch of idiots who have taken ignorance in faith arguing against another bunch of idiots who have taken ignorance in science.
All of you are perfect together as you can argue with each other on these simple concepts until this website closes.

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joshua221 
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Message 265 of 305 (372247)
12-26-2006 2:49 AM
Reply to: Message 250 by Hyroglyphx
12-25-2006 12:03 PM


Re: Enlightened guru
quote:
Do you implicate yourself or are you the enlightened exception?
Why would I implicate myself in being part of this joke?
I once was.
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