Morality Decreasing With Time?

My point...EXACTLY!Thanks Ringo. And Merry Christmas to you too.Now that's a gift!Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

It's always a miracle, and a wonderful thing to see! It started so long ago. What a gift!Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.And His Spirit, will be reborn again and again among many, until the end of the age. (that's last part's not in the Bible, but it would fit)Merry Christmas Buz!
And here's to another year A.D. !Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

jar writes:That's not how it's done in my opinion. That's the reason anglagard started this thread! And I knew when I wrote that 'morality is decreasing' in the other thread that this whole Pandora's box would be opened by the prophets of suspicion (I had hoped not, but in vain). What a charade! But that's what we have to do huh? Play this game... Sometimes it's fun, but that's just my pride talking. The point is, I don't want to whine about it anymore. My hands are dirty and my sleeves are rolled up! Let's do away with the soundbites and punchlines. Most of us are highly intelligent here. So lets do the hard work of actually taking the time to think now and then. This is one of those moments...It's my job to answer, so that is what I must do.Well just so you know jar, I do not now play with any illusion that I will satisfy you. That is not possible! It's absolutely impossible without reciprocation... so you win in that regard. My five and three year olds do it all the time. But their ignorace is at least innocent. Instead, I now play this... game, so as to leave here, in the ether, a reply that is respectful of the gravity that such a concept as this deserves.A Churchillian speech to the public!It's just my opinion. It is not forced on anyone, so there is no need for being insulted. If it is true and you can accept it, then put it to use. It is offered in the most sincere manner and tone possible, as a deep conviction that I believe is not just useful, but essential, to living with a true understanding of reality.I plead for you to stop and reflect!None of these 'relatively' (don't miss that) good and outward signs of purity and virtue that you mention mean anything in terms of absolute proof that we are more moral.It is the heart that holds the truth of who we are (hidden by fig leaves or not). I can pretend to be all kinds of things, but it does not change what my heart really thinks below the surface of the deep. What lurks in that sea is a monster who's power is in remaing hidden in the darkness; manipulating the ships without the captains knowledge. But it is the Captain who must gard his own vessel. Gaurd your ships you Captains! Who is at the helm?Gather round countrymen! lend me your ears! Allow me to prophesy to you. Let me speak to you! Stand up and be men of honor! Acknowledge the truth! Hear me on this day we celebrate the birth of our King!Our 'ambassadors' and 'diplomats' are capable of the most insincere gestures of peace and goodwill toward men. And those pawns only represent the falseness and desperation of our society as a whole to hang on to the illusion of our Greatness! Oh yes ladies and gentleman! We are now so sophisticated in playing our parts in this toyland; this Laodicean empire... that we have neglected the more important matters of the law.Ringo and I have already covered this ground earlier in the thread, and earlier yet in another. Perhaps you missed it jar? I don't think you miss anything! You just pretend it never happened! Well this isn't toyland jar, and the imapct is not imaginary. This is the heavy stuff! This is the heart of the matter, because it is found in the heart.Let the man who claims to be King be heard!Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.Luke 6:45 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. 'What is truth?' Pilot asked.It is my friend and Lord, who guides my steps in a strange land, where the love of most grows colder and colder.Just blow it off jar... go have a drink with DrJones and toast to your absolute defiance! Beat up and kill the prophets as your forefathers did. Eat drink and be merry! For yours is the kingdom, the power, and the glory... just not forever.Either that, or stop hardening your heart. Do not let God's sovereignty harden you. His sovereingty and our demise is for our benefit. As John the Baptist said, 'I must decrease, so that he may increase.'Is that enough for one post? My throat is bleeding and my soapbox is straining! Edited by scottness, : I only forgot to paste half the reply. No big deal Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

I'm not evading anything. I was revealing your strawman, not mine! I'm glad you agree that it is!That whole barrage of mine was clearly qualified (when I asked what you would say if I said the following...) as sarcasm only, to illustrate the absurdity of your argument for evidence being brought to bear.The fact that you find the logic so appalling, really only shows that we agree! But it is your argument that has failed the test.Anyone can go back and read the post! That is if they are looking for truth.

No jar... from my perspective, it's been made clear that that is the one thing I am not allowed to do.Do you think we have different perpectives?I will accept that fact for once and try not to take justice into my own hands, though I already made one appeal for mercy!I'm done with this thread. I've made my case. If you are not satisfied in your humble opinion that I have done so, then so be it.

Ok Buz... I do get caught in the moment don't I?Thanks for the honest confirmation. Sidelined and I had gotten off into a tangent only semi-related to this thread. My apologies for any confusion. I'll respect the Admin on that.I have made my case in this thread as best I can in post 255:http://EvC Forum: Morality Decreasing With Time? -->EvC Forum: Morality Decreasing With Time?

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If we will not learn to eat the only food that the universe grows ” the only food that any possible universe ever can grow ” then we must starve eternally. (Lewis- The Problem of Pain)

I am trying to learn to stay on topic! Start a new thread.

Way back... WAY BACK!...... Tell it Goodbyyyyyy!!!!!!!

How can we (with our Modern subjective view) claim to be any better than past societies who lived equally as morrally (within their subjective view)?You can't call that an improvement, unless you are looking at the whole history with an absolute standard and comparing us to them by that standard. And you are! As NJ brilliantly pointed out, you're using an absolute standard to measure relative things. And your response to him was 'Whatever!'That's not very respectful based on an absolute standard.Actions are relative, the intent and the justice is not. People do good things all the time for the wrong reasoning. (I'd love to give an example... but nah!)Some of us have been trying to make the case that morality is decreasing from an absolute point of view that is found within the heart, not in the possibly duplicitous actions.I believe we've made that case.Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

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If we will not learn to eat the only food that the universe grows ” the only food that any possible universe ever can grow ” then we must starve eternally. (Lewis- The Problem of Pain)

If we as a culture decide by concensus that telling a lie is moral, are we then moral when we tell a lie?Or are we then lying to ourselves as we waste away into ethical postmodern skeletons?That is where the decline is... not so much in terms of civility and actions, but in terms of accepting it as truth. Truth and morality are inseperable are they not?That's the point I was trying to make. Perhpas if I had enunciated it clearer in the beginning, we could have avoided alot of this rancor.I think jar and many others will try to say that truth and morality are totally different topics and concepts. We'll have to agree to disagree.Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

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If we will not learn to eat the only food that the universe grows ” the only food that any possible universe ever can grow ” then we must starve eternally. (Lewis- The Problem of Pain)

Your quite right! Can you think of a man who is in a position to judge? I can...As for your other questions, you are suggesting a diviation form a thread that is almost clased any how.if you would like to start a new thread with that starting point, we can all continue the discussion. I would relish the opprotunity to answer your question

Nice jar... we just build a Tower of Babel!I'll stick with God's tower... it's been around a lot longer.