Morality Decreasing With Time?

But so far no one has shown any examples of declining morality. In fact the only examples presented so far show that morality is increasing.During Old Testament times slavery was moral. Today it is seen as immoral.During New Testament times, stoning people was moral. Today it is considered immoral.During the Age of Exploration it was considered moral to kill folk to save their souls. Today that is considered immoral.During the period of Manifest Destiny it was considered moral for the United States to simply take other nations territory by conquest. Today it is considered immoral.Today depriving US Citizens of their basic human rights is considered moral by many Christians. Hopefully in the future they will realize how immoral they are.Every indicator is that morality is increasing, not decreasing.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Do you really think that any of those are actually true?Do you really think terrorism is on an increase or that all terrorists are immoral?And you think theft is on a rise? You evidence for that is?Deviant sex practices? Hell Buz the immorality is that you consider them deviant.Buz you list is just another collection of your normal bare unsupported assertions.Hopefully the record stands and folk will again see the absolute bankruptcy and worthlessness of your position.

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jar said ... to which rob misrepresented the question asked and replied with a totally unrelated sermon. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with an example of an Absolute Truth.Again, I must repeat that so far no one has been able to provide any examples of Absolute Truth or Absolute Morals that stand up to examination.In addition, no one has been able to show any evidence that morality is decreasing over time.

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There is Absolutely NOTHING I can do to help you. Look in your profile and see if notification is turned one. If that does not work there is a thread to ask for moderator assistance, consider posting your question there by replying directly to one of the Admins (hint, I am NOT an admin).Further your example has NOTHING to do with the topic, please try to address the subject of a thread.

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Yes.

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What forum are you talking about that is searching for finality of understanding? What does that have to do with the topic? The topic is morality decreasing over time. Where have you presented evidence that can be examined of morality decreasing over time? What disrespectful and defiant attitude? All that has happened in this thread is that folk continue to ask you for examples of morality decreasing over time and you continue to respond with unsupported allegations.The topic is "Morality Decreasing With Time?"It is fine if you personally think that might be the case. I doubt that anyone has a problem with you holding such a belief. However if you wish to assert that it is a fact or true you need to present some evidence that supports such a position. Just quoting scripture ain't gonna make it.

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How silly. Many of those replying to him are also Christians that believe in the power of God, so that is obviously unrelated as well as also being totally off topic.The problem is that just like your post, his posts have had NOTHING to do with the topic and like you, he has failed to provide an example of Absolute Truth or Absolute Morality or ANY evidence of "Morality Decreasing With Time."

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Certainly.Do you have any indication that it is higher than it was during the 1800s? Higher than during Imperial Rome? Higher than during Feudal Europe or Japan under the Shogunates?So far all you have done Buz is make wild assertions and have presented not one piece of evidence.

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All you have provided is assertions, bare unsupported assertions.How do you propose we measure the actual difference between crime at the various points in history?The point is that the things you mentioned are simply not measurable. There are no accurate statistics.But there is something we can measure to see if Morality is decreasing or increasing.Do most people consider slavery immoral now?Do most people consider interracial marriage immoral?Do most people consider murder by "Princes" immoral?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Okay, you may now try to post something that is related to the topic.Do you have any evidence that morality is decreasing over time.Do most people consider slavery immoral now?Do most people consider interracial marriage immoral?Do most people consider murder by "Princes" immoral?

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Buz quotes jar asking: to which buz makes the amazing flying goalpost reply ...

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I don't consider these matters to be a moral issue. Rather they are an amoral social issuem (abe: unrelated to the thread topic.

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Good God Buz. Can't you tap dance better than that? I'm getting dizzy watching you move them goalposts.Slavery is not a moral issue?Marriage is not a moral issue?Did you notice that you did not answer the questions (as usual) and also totally ignored one of the questions.Here is the original in case you missed it. Let's try a few more examples and simple questions.Do you consider having the right to a fair trial moral?Do you consider a government imposed by force moral?Do you consider punishments designed to provide slow painful deaths like stoning or the stocks as moral?Do you consider lynching moral?Do you consider denying people basic human rights based on color or sex as moral?

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Seems you are still just dancing and have totally missed the point.As you point out statistics are simply not available so we cannot use statistics. to which NJ replied:

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And what is that?

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NJ I listed a whole series of such tests.You then went on to say: Sorry charley but the question is whether or not morality is increasing or decreasing. If there are absolute moral standards, no one has been able to show any such examples. In addition, if there are absolute moral standards they will remain constant and the answer to the topic, "Morality Decreasing With Time?" is by definition, "No, morality is not decreasing."The question outlined in the topic implies change over time, it is relative to behavior at a given moment.Based on that we can then measure specific behavior over time and the specific examples I mentioned become tests to see if morality is increasing or decreasing over time.The list as it now stands is:

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Good. Based on your answers you agree that morality is increasing.The rest of your post was just typical tap dancing and goalpost moving.

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Sorry Charlie but you did quantify them. I asked question. You responded to those questions. The weight of your responses shows that morality is increasing.Worry not NJ, the record is here and everyone can see your responses, as well as the non-responses.For those who may not remember the list: It is a simple list one that makes it possible to quantify whether morality is increasing or decreasing.If the answer to the first three is "No" while the answer to the last five is "yes', then morality is increasing.The rest of your non-response simply proved my point.You said: Right. Today it is seen to be immoral. Morality has increased with time.It is actually quite clear and easily documented.Morality has increased over time. It is NOT decreasing over time.

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Whatever NJ. The record is here. Others can read and make up their own minds.

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