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Author Topic:   INTELLIGENT DESIGN: An Engineer’s Approach
Phalanx
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From: Old Bridge, NJ, US
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Message 274 of 302 (372760)
12-29-2006 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by johnfolton
12-29-2006 11:53 AM


Re: common sense? Prevention
quote:
Were talking prevention to nip the cancer before it manifests, if one has cancer that needs to be addressed by professionals. However that does not make laetrile (b17) a quack quack remedy. People die for a lack of knowledge and eating 15 almonds a day, alpha sprouts is not detrimental to ones health. It has bonified scientific studies that the cancer cell is targeted by this vitamen. This is an example of intelligent design.
There have been a number of studies that have tested the efficacy of amygdalin/laetrile/"vitamin B17" and failed to do so.
From the National Cancer Institute:
quote:
Preclinical studies have been done with laetrile either alone or combined with other substances. These studies tested the benefits of laetrile against cancer, the side effects of laetrile treatment, where and how laetrile breaks down in the body, and how laetrile and its breakdown products leave the body. Laboratory and animal studies have shown little evidence that laetrile is effective against cancer.
NCI
From wikipedia:
quote:
Laetrile and "metabolic therapy" were administered as recommended by their promoters to 178 patients with advanced cancer for which there was no proven treatment. None were cured or stabilized or had any improvement of cancer-related symptoms. The median survival rate was about five months. In survivors after seven months, tumor size had increased. Several patients suffered from cyanide poisoning.
Wikipedia Article
Find me one clinical study, that's been done by a reputable source, and can be repeated, and you might begin to change my mind. Stop believing everything you hear. There are absolutely no studies that vindicate amygdalin's use.
Edited by Phalanx, : had to make post easier to read.

And the Ignorant shall fall to the Squirrels - Chip 2:54

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Phalanx
Member (Idle past 5737 days)
Posts: 31
From: Old Bridge, NJ, US
Joined: 10-12-2006


Message 276 of 302 (372773)
12-29-2006 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by limbosis
12-29-2006 12:53 PM


Re: Almond Growers: Diabolic? or just plain Evil?
quote:
So, the almond industry is at or near the heart of the cancer cover-up...hmmm.
It's sad, I know. The almond growers industry, the federal government, the pharmaceutical industry, and I even think that the Coca Cola company is somehow involved...we all know how inherently evil Coca Cola is.
In all honesty, it scares me that people believe every little tidbit that they hear.

And the Ignorant shall fall to the Squirrels - Chip 2:54

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Phalanx
Member (Idle past 5737 days)
Posts: 31
From: Old Bridge, NJ, US
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Message 278 of 302 (372780)
12-29-2006 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by johnfolton
12-29-2006 1:31 PM


Re: common sense? Prevention
Let me quote myself and add the requisite emphasis for you, "Find me one clinical study, that's been done by a reputable source, and can be repeated, and you might begin to change my mind. Stop believing everything you hear. There are absolutely no studies that vindicate amygdalin's use."
You don't even have to find a study that's been performed in the US. I know amygdalin is able to be prescribed in various other countries. Are there any international teams that have published studies that verify amygdalin's supposed abilities?
You finding a "whistle-blower" doesn't seem to be much of a basis for your claims. The anectdotal evidence is no basis for any such claim. The lack of any corroborating evidence tells me that amygdalin, at this point in time, is not a remedy for any form of cancer, nor has it been shown to prevent cancer. When you find something that is not innuendo, and have actual, tangible proof you'll have something to talk about. Up until that point, amygdalin is nothing more than a folk remedy which is on par with snake oil.

And the Ignorant shall fall to the Squirrels - Chip 2:54

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Phalanx
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Message 283 of 302 (372821)
12-29-2006 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by TheMystic
12-29-2006 4:37 PM


I have to tell you, you are not, by any means, a perfect design. There are innumerable things that would make things a lot better for humans, many of which can be found in the animal kingdom but are lacking in humans. Birds can see into the ultraviolet spectrum, elephants can here in octaves your ears can't, dogs smell nearly 20 times better, bats have echo location, dolphins have sonar, the octopus can change the color of its skin.
I think what you mean to say is that the human design is adequate to survive in its current environment. As for humans having a "perfect design", far from it. You get sick. Towards the end of your life, your major organ systems begin to give out, and your brain becomes more and more inefficient.
To say that your body is a perfect design is an out and out fallacy.

And the Ignorant shall fall to the Squirrels - Chip 2:54

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