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INTELLIGENT DESIGN: An Engineer’s Approach

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Message 148 of 302 (371264)
12-20-2006 7:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 146 by NOT JULIUS
12-20-2006 7:36 PM

Re: hypothesis ready for testing?
To prove evoulution, the challenge is "create" a simple squirming and REPRODUCING worm or flying and reproducing fly in your lab out of nothing.
This is such a blatant strawman arguement.
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A. Abiogensis =/ evolution
2. The theorized first life forms would be nowhere near as complex as a worm or a fly
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If on the other hand you can not produce a worm or a fly, then just shut up and accept that somebody more intelligent than humans made us. Until you make that squirming worm all your words are just plain rhetorics to say the least. Science fiction, in other words.
I issue a counter-challenge; produce the designer (and his/her/it's designer and so on), until you do so your words are just plain rhetoric. Fairy tales in other words. If you cannot produce the designer, then may I suggest that you just shut up and accept that scientists actually have a clue about reality while religious zealots do not.
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Message 178 of 302 (372069)
12-24-2006 7:30 PM 		Reply to: Message 176 by jaywill
12-24-2006 7:17 PM

You know that for a great number of evolutionists, evolution is a replacement for an intelligent Creator. Since many evos want to replace a Creator with Evolution exactly,
Care to substaniate this?
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12-24-2006 7:52 PM 		Reply to: Message 181 by jaywill
12-24-2006 7:45 PM

When you check the vehemence of a large public section of the US who oppose the teaching of Intelligent Design, it should be obvious.
Yes it is obvious that they want science taught in science classes, those godless heathens.
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Keep God OUT! Tell us about Evolution in place of an Intelligent Creator
wanting science to be taught in science classes in place of mythology isn't anti-god, its pro-science.
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12-28-2006 4:00 PM 		Reply to: Message 235 by Hyroglyphx
12-28-2006 1:02 PM

Re: Another example of truly piss poor engineering design touted
The fact that sperm are so heat sensitive and that the scrotum will retract in cold weather, and let it all hang down in hot weather is an amazing feature.
It's a feature that makes up for a design defect; the heat-sensitive sperm.
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You criticizing the only design you know of should compel you to make a better design.
How about the internal testes of whales and dolphins? The alleged common designer did away with the scrotum for them, why not for us?
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12-28-2006 10:58 PM 		Reply to: Message 252 by jaywill
12-28-2006 10:43 PM

I hope that you take note that I keep using words like "many" and "some".
Yes, they allow you to make claims without any support, pretty sneaky.
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12-29-2006 4:52 PM 		Reply to: Message 281 by TheMystic
12-29-2006 4:37 PM

Besides, how does natural selection explain the continuation of broken parts? Why have they not been weeded out?
Because they do not prevent the organism from passing them on to the next generation.
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I wonder how far ahead medicine would be, for instance, if the modern scientist assumed the human machine to be a basically perfect design.
I wonder how far ahead medicine would be if religion didn't get in it's way.
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Notice I didn't say a perfect specimen, but a perfect design.
How is it a perfect design? to what standards are you comparing it too?
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12-29-2006 5:26 PM 		Reply to: Message 284 by TheMystic
12-29-2006 5:16 PM

But anyway, can you see how the questions you've raised can only be answered within an intelligence framework?
No.
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How can something be 'broken' unless there was some way it was supposed to be?
Deviation from the usual function does not automatically mean that the usual function has been designed into the system.
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It's the same for 'perfect design' and 'standards'. So you tell me what 'standards' are
You're the one proclaiming a perfect design, it's up to you to provide the standards that you're measuring against.
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