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Message 13 of 526 (372932)
12-30-2006 3:40 AM

Reply to: Message 12 by Origen
12-30-2006 3:19 AM

Re: theistic evolutionists become occultists?

Thanks for sharing your testimony...if a bit long, it was honest and was appreciated by me, for one. I too have seen the evidence of the supernatural.

It is one thing for us to have such fervent beliefs and to realize that what we have experienced is important, in our opinion, to others as well as ourselves.

It is another thing to realize that the world is going to continue how it is and that what must happen is happening.

It does us no good to attack science or to try and rant at the direction of education and rationality.

Lets get back to Modulous's topic.

Modulous writes:

The current hot war is between evolutionists who argue vociferously exactly how to beat the growing sentiments of anti-science and the threat to the enlightenment that is fundamentalism (as one participant commented: 'Should we bash religion with a crowbar or only with a baseball bat?'1). To be fair, the theistic evolutionists are involved - but they are essentially what/who the war is over, not the participants.

Perhaps the question: IS Religious Fundamentalism a threat to enlightened thinking?

For those of us who have seen the unprovable yet real dynamics of the spiritual realm, we can only agree that one mads madness is another mans enlightenment.

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Message 14 of 526 (372933)
12-30-2006 3:47 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by Modulous
12-06-2006 2:22 PM

Let each position have its place and its space

Modulous writes:

Do we attack dogmatic religious beliefs as strongly as we attack other dogmatic beliefs?

Phat writes:

a freedom of speech issue. We should only attack beliefs that tread on the toes of other disciplines and fields of study. As an example, I believe that fundamental religious beliefs (even if I believe them true) have no place in politics.

Do we attack only fundamentalist religious beliefs, and give a break to people like theistic evolutionists? Do we try and convince the religious public that science can be wonderful and is not to be feared?

Yes. Science is not something to be feared. Even if science was a tool of a fundamentalists proverbial devil, the scenario would be arguably meant to happen anyway and cannot be prevented.

Don't chain our kids up and prevent them from becoming enlightened and progressive thinkers. Surely even a fundamentalist would agree that God can overcome the influences of the culture, should it be necessary.

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Message 18 of 526 (508421)
05-13-2009 8:52 AM

Reply to: Message 17 by Modulous
05-13-2009 7:02 AM

Fundamentalist Atheists?

Modulous writes:

Some atheists are concerned with the taboo surrounding criticizing religion and work to alleviate that taboo, with mixed successes. Some atheists don't care about what other people think about God. Some atheists think that we should be forging alliances with certain believers to fight the common enemy of fanatics, fundamentalists, and enemies of science.

I think that critical thought has helped me much more than if I had spent the past three years hanging out at a "Christian" Forum. BTW which type of atheist do you consider yourself to be?

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Message 115 of 526 (512564)
06-19-2009 2:35 AM

Reply to: Message 108 by Theodoric
06-15-2009 12:42 PM

Re: Strong Atheist

Theodoric writes:

I am a strong atheist. I am not the type that says there is no proof so I don't believe. I know there are no gods. In order for there to be gods, or the supernatural all reality would have to be different from what it is. There is no magic, there is no paranormal, there is no supernatural. If there were then reality would not be as we know it. For there to be any of these things the basic laws of our universe would have to change. They can't change, because if they did reality itself would change.

I am not sure I understand you. I believe that God exists, yet freely admit that I do not know. I fail to understand how you can claim to know. First of all, show support for the idea that "reality would be different". IF God exists, God exists regardless of what people believe.(or claim to prove) IF God does not exist, God does not exist despite what people believe.(or claim to prove)

In order for there to be gods, or the supernatural all reality would have to be different from what it is.

Thats quite a broad topic. Just where is "all reality" recorded or documented?
Its as simple as that.

Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky

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