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Author Topic:   Why doesn't AI Falsify ID?
Taz
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Message 4 of 71 (373067)
12-30-2006 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by GDR
12-30-2006 4:59 PM


GDR writes:
When you can take super intelligent computers and have them express love, joy, guilt etc, then I'll concede that you have an argument. We are more than just the intelligence that can be programmed into a computer.
While I agree that the human consciousness is made of more than just the intelligence, I don't agree that we can impose love, joy, guilt, etc., as the criteria for (what I am assuming you are talking) sentience.
Perhaps it would be better if we wait to make contact with another sentient race before we can start coming up with the criteria?

George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger

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Taz
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Message 10 of 71 (373109)
12-30-2006 8:34 PM
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12-30-2006 6:54 PM


GDR writes:
I hope we don't sit on our hands in the mean time.
Oh no, don't get me wrong. I have no problem with us hypothesizing these things. I just wanted to point out that using concepts that are completely subjective, like emotions, to define levels of intelligence and sentience could become very dangerous in the near future.
Science fiction writers and movie makers alike have tackled this before. Ten years ago, the idea of artificial intelligence (honest to god artificial intelligence) was still far in the sci fi realm. But nowadays, in my opinion it is not that far off. The question then becomes how will we treat this new "race" (for lack of a better word)?
It might be a very long wait.
I wasn't talking only about extraterrestrial intelligence. The prospect of a new race of artificial intelligent beings isn't that far off... perhaps a few decades?

George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger

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Taz
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Message 23 of 71 (373200)
12-31-2006 2:36 PM
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12-30-2006 11:49 PM


aiguy writes:
Q: What explains the specified complexity of biological systems?
A: Intelligence.
Q: What is intelligence?
A: The ability to create specified complexity.
I don't think this is a fair assessment of ID, even if I don't agree with it. Take the following, for example.
Q: Which species survives?
A: The fittest.
Q: Which is the fittest species?
A: The species that survives.

George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger

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