Is belief in God madness in a modern world?

Not by those who wish to label and judge it as delusion. But moderates are so... unmoderate!If tolerant were tolerant, it would ignore the absolute. It is clear you wouldn't believe me if I told you. So why don't you go play with somebody else?

The most important "anybody" in this matter is yourself. You should watch the movie A Beautiful Mind to get a better perspective of how delusions can trick one's mind for a whole life time.

Thank you Kader. A reasonable question in the spirit of Archer. Unlike some of the others who are more trollish and have kept me off balance, confused, and wasting time. Learning hurts, but it is good. Such is the way of suffering.Yes, I can give you excellent rationale for my belief in absolutes.1st is the fact that logic is trustworthy. The law of non-contradiction cannot fail. All contradictory statements are untrue, unless they are qualified by some other means.2nd is the obvious fact that reality is absolute. Reality exists!3rd is that to deny any of the above is illogical, because if you challenge the above, you will prove the above.If thinking is valid, then absolutes are undeniable.If thinking is not valid, then we cannot even use it to tell us that.To say that God is not absolute would be a contradiction, because he would not then be omnipotent. God must be omnipotent. And you cannot be omnipotent uless you are omniscient. And you cannot be either of those unless you are omnipresent.All of these things are clearly expressed as characters of the Biblical God. Therefore the Bible is accurate in terms of absolutes. Furthermore, the moral standards are not maleable, and that is consistent as well.If we are looking for a God who is not Godly, then there are plenty of religions to choose that fit our own subjective absolutes.As for our subjective absolutes, if I say to you that it is wrong to impose your morality on someone else, then I have just done so.I cannot tell someone it is wrong to tell someone else, that their behavior is wrong. It's utter madness! A CLEAR AND VIOLENT CONTRADICTION.Why we fall for such nonesense is mezmerizing. We are spellbound. The Bible says that in the last days, God will send a delusion. The Bible is correct once again.And for those of you who can't understand why God would do such a thing, consider that the universe is made of laws. Laws that are prejudiced for the purpose of being.So when we try to violate those laws, we are using God (reality and His laws) against ourselves. So He gave them as a gift, and we deluded ourselves by his sovereignty.A good God will not let evil prevail. But He will give it a little time, because He can hanlde it. He is not offended. He is secure.Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

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If we will not learn to eat the only food that the universe grows ” the only food that any possible universe ever can grow ” then we must starve eternally. (Lewis- The Problem of Pain)

Glad you brought that up. Read message 78 on the subject.

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If we will not learn to eat the only food that the universe grows ” the only food that any possible universe ever can grow ” then we must starve eternally. (Lewis- The Problem of Pain)

Why?What does this have to do with the topic?Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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Scottness writes:Jar asks:Because He would not then be God. God by definition is in absolute control. If not then some unknown nonliving reality is effectively God, and then God is not personal and cannot reveal Himself.The implications there are very very interesting. Care to go there?
Then start a new topic. Showing the logic behind my belief in Jesus. That's what the thread topic is!Are you new to the forum? If so, welcome. My name is Rob. What's yours?

Actually, that was my question - Kader was quoting me. The question here is about madness, which could be thought of as being out of touch with reality.
If one's reality is a delusion, how can it be absolute? Does everyone who thinks he's Napoleon have an "absolute" reality?

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You keep going on arguing things that have nothing to do with either the thread or the questions asked of you.The question was why you seem obsessed with absolutes, not whether or not God is an absolute.You keep posting these long sermons that have nothing to do with either the topic or the questions. Really?What does anything you posted have to do with believing in Jesus?No one has questioned your belief. They are up to you and you are free to believe anything you want.The topic is "Is belief in God madness in a modern world?" and some nonsense about a moral realm or something.Try addressing the topic.

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No, he did not quote you. Your question was significantly less intelligent. He took your question, and made it respectable, in spite of our differences. Do you know reality? If not, then you cannot coherently tell anyone they are out of touch with it. I may be out of touch with your unknown reality Ringo, and even the majority of human beings unknown reality, but I do know Him, so I really don't care. I'll take the cross. Not because I am mad... but because I know! That's what I don't understand about relativists. It is a delusion to think that you cannot know reality. Another violent contradiction and therefore false.So you tell me... Napoleon!

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If we will not learn to eat the only food that the universe grows ” the only food that any possible universe ever can grow ” then we must starve eternally. (Lewis- The Problem of Pain)

That's not a question. It is a naked insult and a violation of EVC rules.I'm sure Asparagus will rush to correct you because I have so much faith in the goodness of mankind.Does Asparagus come in jars?

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If we will not learn to eat the only food that the universe grows ” the only food that any possible universe ever can grow ” then we must starve eternally. (Lewis- The Problem of Pain)

If someone asks me if Santa claus is gay? Am I required to respond?If so, then you are guilty of not responding to many a valid question.If this were my last post on EVC, I would sleep well from this day forward, knowing what I have left something for God to lead the few who care, to see.Now, do you have a legitimate question, that does not conceal a prejudice?If not, then my opinion or persuasion is of no use to you and our banter is useless other than to entertain people with the fight of the century.So if your looking for ideas to be presented, you should move on.Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

If you keep attacking the intelligence of other members and inferring that their intelligence is questionable, you may find yourself on a cross!Slow down and listen to the other arguments. You don't always have to have the last word!

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Please point out where someone asked you that question. Certainly. Do you have anything to say that is on topic or related to the Original Post?

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I compare "my" reality with other people's reality. If we agree significantly about what is real, then yes, I do know reality to that extent.If most people agree that that fellow is not Napoleon, chances are that his "reality" is a delusion. When did I ever say you cannot know reality?It's only when somebody's reality doesn't match the consensus of what is "real" reality that questions of madness arise. The thing about contradictions is that one of the options must be false. Are the "Napoleons" mad? Or are they the only ones with the "real" reality and everybody else is mad?

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I am going to repost the OP in an attempt to get this thread back on topic. I am also closing this puppy for a bit so everyone can regroup and reread.

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