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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
quote:You can read the rest of the article here. I can't help but relate this to the movie X-Men 3 The Last Stand. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Wow, it's like I'm invisible.
AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
And the fact that an experimental procedure could "cure" a gay animal of homosexuality tells me that at this point it is simply more than just a choice, wouldn't you say?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
And I have not suggested that it was a gene responsible for homosexuality. All I said was if an experimental procedure could turn an animal from gaydom, then it appears to me that homosexuality is more than just a conscious choice biggots and homophobes often make it out to be.
If a gay gene could be switched off then I certainly would agree. I'm not sure. I suppose I could submit to castration, rendering me a sexually neutral eunuch, but does this mean that I am a male heterosexual BY CHOICE?
I think you just made the argument for me. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
You keep claiming to have an open mind, but I really haven't seen any evidence of that. All right, I carried the analogy a little too far. This entire issue will evaporate like hot sweat when gay-gene therapy becomes a clinical out-patience procedure. The real issue is so what if it is 100% choice? It makes no difference if tomorrow we find out that gay people are gay without any biological reason whatsoever. Since when did we as a society have the right to exclude other people from certain rights simply because they made a concious choice? In other words, whether homosexuality is a choice or not should have no bearing on what rights homosexuals should or shouldn't get. I am happily married, and I love the fact that whenever I tell people that this is my wife people automatically assume that she is the most important person in my life. I love the fact that if my wife ever gets hospitalized, I could simply say "that's my wife" and automatically nothing regarding the matter is excluded from me. Joint tax filing is a plus. So is insurance. If I ever get arrested for something I might or might not have done, I love the fact that by law my wife cannot be made to testify against me. These are just a few things that popped up in my head right now. I know some gay couples that have been together for years and years and years and they are still can't enjoy some of the things we take for granted. In fact, a couple years ago I attended a symbolic wedding between two men who had been together for 15 years. 15 years. That sure beats Britney Spear's 52 hour just for fun marriage. That beats Rush Limbaugh's 5 or so marriages and divorces. A few years ago, I hosted a gay couple from Norway who had 2 adopted sons with them. The affections they had for each other and the love they had for their non-biological sons made me had no doubt that these people probably made better parents than most straight couples out there, including myself. I see no reason why these people who are committing their lives to a monogomous relationship can't be legally recognized and yet straight people like me can marry, get a divorce, remarry, get another divorce, and remarry again and again and again. But on a different note, I couldn't help myself from writing out a script about the gay cure. Guess where I got this from. --------------------------------------------------------------- Professor: I don't have to be psychic to know something is bothering you. Sara: I don't get it. Eric is now a fugitive. We finally have a president that understands us. Why are we still hiding? Prof: We're not hiding. We still have a lot of enemies out there, and I must protect my students. Sara: You know, we can't remain your students forever. The professor chuckles. Prof: My dear, I haven't thought of you as my student for years now. In fact, I thought you might take my place some day. Sara: But I thought Scot... Prof: Scot's a changed man. He took Jean's death so hard. Yes, things are better out there, but you of all people should know how quickly the weather can change. Sara: There's something you're not telling us. The professor looks as though he is about to say something but then stops and proceeds to the guest room. Inside the guest room, Secretary McCoy is is greeted by the professor and Sara. Sara: Hank, it's good to see you. McCoy: I'm sorry to see you on such a short notice. Prof: You're always welcome here, Hank. You're a part of this place. McCoy: I have news. Prof: Is it Eric? McCoy: No, but we have been making progress on that front. We recently apprehended Mystique. Sara: You think your prison can hold her? McCoy: For now, we have a more pressing matter. A major Pharmaceutical company has developed a chemical agent that suppresses the gay gene X. Logan: Suppresses...? McCoy: Permanently. They're calling it the “Cure”. Sara: That's ridiculous, you can't cure being who you are. McCoy: Well, scientifically speaking... Sara: Since when did we become a disease? Professor: Sara, they're announcing it right now. As people around the country watches on their tv screens, the head of the pharmaceutical company addresses to the press. Bush: These gays are people like you and me. They suffer from a genetic defect and should be pitied, not persecuted. But it ends today. Bush holds up a chemical vile. Bush: Ladies and Gentlemen, we finally have a cure for homosexuality. In the professor's guest room... Sara: What kind of a coward would take the easy way out like that? McCoy: It depends. Is it cowardice to try to save oneself from persecution? Not everyone can blend in so well. .... AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
Are you misreading my messages on purpose or are you incapable correctly reading them? No problem there. I'm not out to take any RIGHTS away from anyone. I haven't suggested that you want to take people's rights away. I have suggested, however, that you want to exclude people from certain rights, which I will explain next.
Once again, why would gays have to be "married" if a civil union ceremony with equivalent rights was available to them. It comes down to a just a single word, which is NOT a right. (Remember, I want gays to have ALL the rights they deserve.)
Then explain to me why the two dozen or so states that have laws banning gay marriage also banned any form of union whatsoever that remotely resemble marriage? People like you keep saying that you are fine with gay people having some kind of civil union but then you always seem to legislate and vote for laws that would ban ANY possiility for gay people to enjoy even a few rights that married couples enjoy. Personally, if my gay friends support civil union then I would respect their wishes and follow them. But every legislation thus far that want to exclude gays from "marriage" also at the same time exclude gays from ANY form of union that recognizes partnership.
And since you took the liberty to post one of your gay soap operas, I'll post one of my poems along the same lines:
I'd hardly call x-men a soap opera. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
You did, when you suggested that the problem would go away once we can clinically "cure" gay people on outgoing patience. It is the same tone we use today for AIDS, cancer, and other currently incurable diseases. You have been beating around the bushes, but it is clear to everyone here that deep down you equate homosexuality to something like leprosy and gay people to lepers.
Rev writes:
Whoever said that? yes because being gay is a bad thing and somehow effects your life and well being . Maybe because He’s gay? Has anyone ever bothered to ask?
Maybe who's gay? Are you talking about me? If so, you should be aware that I have no gay tendency whatsoever. If I ever get the urge, I'll be the first to let you know. In the mean time, perhaps you should consider that not everyone who sees an injustice in the gay rights issue is gay. Coincidently, I'm a feminist... doesn't mean I'm a woman. I'm white, doesn't mean I'm a white nationalist. I'm an atheist, doesn't mean that I regularly attend kitten and puppy BBQ's. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
Yes, and I can assure you that I am the almighty... Ok, I get it now Opps. Are you really paying attention here? AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
You still haven't addressed my point. Why is it that you people always say you support civil union yet always legislate and vote for legislations that not only ban gay marriage but all so ALL forms of civil union for gay people? The latest state to ban gay marriage is wisconsin. Their ban also include ALL forms of union that remotely resemble marriage.
As the old saying goes, seperate but equal my ass. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Catholic writes:
I'm curious about this. Do tell us whatever experiences you've had or stories you've heard about straight people turning gay in jail. What about heteros that spend too much time in jail and then turn gay? AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Dan, it doesn't work if Hoot is a teen. A teen gets an erection while looking at jello.
AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Jaderis writes:
I'm afraid that the issue is more complicated than that. It is just a word, after all. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Yes, and I'm sure your precious Pearl could sign a marriage contract.
AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Some nitpics:
Gender, by definition, is a social construct regarding culture-bound conventions, roles and behaviors for, as well as relationships between and among individuals within that society. Some would argue that specific types of gender, such as masculine and feminine, are usually socially assigned to specific sex of the individuals portraying such genders, they are not necessarily bound to the assigned sex. In other words, gender sometimes is a choice people make. Attraction CAN be a choice. In societies where arranged marriages were rampant and are still in practice, it should be noted that these people literally "chose" to like each other and grew intimate with one another. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
CS writes:
For some of us, IT IS as immutable as he seemed to have suggested. My point was that sexual preference might not be as immutable as you seem to be suggesting. Look, not every straight guy have tried to stay away from gay behaviors like you. I will go ahead and confess it right here. I tried all the gay stuff many times in college. While I can't say how you would react to the same experiences (I can't read people's minds damn it), I can say with absolute certainty that the experiences back then didn't turn me gay and it sure as hell won't change me gay anytime soon. For those of us that are completely secured with our sexuality, we are not as caught up with the whole sanctity of marriage thing. Sure, I'm happy to be married. If my gay friends start marrying each other, I really don't see how that is going to affect MY marriage or MY sexuality. Added by edit. If gay experiences didn't turn me gay, what makes you think something is going to change certain gay people? Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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