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Brian
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Message 31 of 50 (373345)
01-01-2007 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Origen
12-31-2006 9:05 PM


Re: Yikes it's Icke!
What I did is accurately interpretate the Biblical descriptions with modern science without staying away from Biblical teaching.
Do you think that there is a chance that you have forced the interpretations of the evidence to fit your preconcieved notion that the Bible is this wonderfully accurate historical document?
Also, what is the purpose of your research, what is the point in all this?
Reading between the lines, this reminds me of Von Daniken's nonsense about flightpath of the gods, or Velikovsky's insane rantings about world's colliding.
You might make a couple of quid out of the fundies since they aren't exactly known for their critical thinking skills.
Brian.

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nator
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Message 32 of 50 (373352)
01-01-2007 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Origen
12-31-2006 8:54 PM


quote:
In fact, Darwin was not a scientist.
Not a modern one, as we understand the term as a professional title, no.
But then again, Newton wasn't a scientist, either. Same with Galileo, Copernicus, Linneus, Pasteur, or any of the other people who made discoveries of the natural world using scientific methodology before the occupation of science was professionalized.
quote:
Darwin was not trained in biology or anthropology.
That's because there was no such thing as biology or anthropology degrees back then. He studied at Cambridge and got a classical education, just like everybody else at Cambridge; there were no different "majors" or diverse course offerings from which one chose their path. Everybody did the same thing back then.
quote:
He has a MA in Theology, which he floated through without understanding simple Biblical concepts.
Darwin did not get a MA in Theology. I don't know where you are getting your information, but that bit is completely false. He graduated from Cambridge, like everybody else who completed their studies, with a degeree from Cambridge, but there really weren't "majors".
Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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Nighttrain
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Message 33 of 50 (373559)
01-01-2007 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Origen
12-31-2006 9:05 PM


Re: Yikes it's Icke!
O.k., Seer of All Things, care to tell us where you got the original (Origenal--geddit?)unexpurgated autographs of the Bible? Or are you using a modern stuffed-up version?

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limbosis
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Message 34 of 50 (373610)
01-02-2007 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Nighttrain
01-01-2007 10:48 PM


Re: Yikes it's Icke!
O.k., Seer of All Things, care to tell us where you got the original (Origenal--geddit?)unexpurgated autographs of the Bible? Or are you using a modern stuffed-up version?
Jesus Christ!

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limbosis
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Message 35 of 50 (373612)
01-02-2007 3:11 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Origen
12-31-2006 9:20 PM


Re: Extremely Important information!!!
God is real, but so also is the Devil.
Hey Origen, let me ask you something...if God was the Devil, would you be able to tell?
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You might as well send a copy to avatarlimbosis@yahoo.com
Edited by limbosis, : No reason given.

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limbosis
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Message 36 of 50 (373613)
01-02-2007 3:24 AM
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12-30-2006 8:57 AM


Re: Extremely Important information!!
The future of legal kitten barbeques depends on us!
Whoa! I've been fryin kitties for a long damn time!

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platypus
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Message 37 of 50 (373833)
01-02-2007 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Origen
12-31-2006 8:54 PM


Everybody knows that if it were scientifically and historically proven that either evolution or Creation was right, the other would be eliminated.
Unless one of the two positions did not depend on scientific evidence, but was supported by some arbitrary piece of work like the Bible or something.
If Creation is better supported by evidence, evolutionists would be out of a job. We would not burn their literature!! If evolution was proven, the Bible and all literature conneted would be burned and there would be another Holocaust.
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with this one too. If creationism was proven true, that would be what evolutionists would study, since there aren't really "evolutionists," there are biologists who study the biological world and through their studies determine that evolution is true. If evolution wasn't true, the study of biology would change, but no one would be out of a job. And if evolution is true, I really don't see any reason to burn a perfectly good book like the Bible. Has it ever occurred to you that evolution and God can coexist? Theistic evolution, perhaps? Perhaps all that is needed is a new interpretation of God's word?

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Origen
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Message 38 of 50 (374803)
01-05-2007 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by nator
01-01-2007 9:02 AM


Wow. I'm speechless. You must be one of those rewriters of history! Your knowledge of science history contradicts knowable facts. Its amazing what you Marxist will deny for the sake of politics. Amazing!

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Origen
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Message 39 of 50 (374810)
01-05-2007 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Brian
01-01-2007 8:00 AM


Re: Yikes it's Icke!
Brian,
You've read between the lines without actually reading the paper for yourself. This says very little about your motive for being on this topic. Are you sure you're now a troll?
I made myself very clear from the beginning that this work was not like those before me, who broke the law of identity by contradicting what the Bible says God says and mixing polytheism and pantheism together while giving monotheism the ousta because it doesn't fit the scheme of evolutionary analysis. When dealing with ancient literature you first have to see what this literature says about itself before rushing into deductive criticism for the sake of politics.
If you want to read this paper I'll send it; but if you just want to be contentious then maybe you should join another topic that allows a contentious, disrespectful attitude. This topic is for people who are interested.
Edited by Origen, : No reason given.

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Origen
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Message 40 of 50 (374815)
01-05-2007 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Nighttrain
01-01-2007 10:48 PM


Re: Yikes it's Icke!
Nighttrain,
You have to have a clear mind when studying the Bible. I have already studied Texual Criticism and it's not a big deal when you see what there is and all the whys and so on. Now IFOlogy is also confirmation of the accuracy of the Bible text since the descriptions given could not be anything made up by anyone of ancient times. In fact, the original Book of Ezekiel still remains in tact. This can be found in any archaeology records under the Ezekiel stones, dated back to the time of Ezekiel. If you would study the text from true Christian scholars and stop going to propaganda sites to learn about this you might just learn something.

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Origen
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Message 41 of 50 (374816)
01-05-2007 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by limbosis
01-02-2007 3:11 AM


Re: Extremely Important information!!!
For starters, God is not the Devil. I've seen both at work and know the difference between them both, even when the Devil is trying to preach his false Gospel! Everything is already written in propecy and things are being fulfilled as we speak.

Everything was nothing before there was something.
Everything is something even if its nothing at all.
For nothingness came from Something, and that
Something has always been there.
Without an Infinite Designer, nothing,
could not have ever been.
For even Nothing is Something;
And from Something...came everything.
~ Jason Fessenden

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Origen
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Message 42 of 50 (374822)
01-05-2007 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by platypus
01-02-2007 9:50 PM


Theistic evolution?
The level of hate that witches and atheists have in common against God and those who believe Him is at an all time--just has prophecied it would be. And for what reason?
Theistic evolution is a cheap compromise of positions in attempts to please the politicians. However, you will never find a single Biblical passage that says God used evolution to create! It's not even logical since evolution is based on the idea of natural selection, which cancels out the fact that God CREATED! What does Genesis 1:1 say? If it's creation it's not evolution!
I have no fear of evolution theory and I have very good reasons not to fear it.
One point I want to make is about the Catholic priest scandles. There are two reasons why these priest have molested children. (1) They are not allowed to date or marry. (2) They are now taught theistic evolution! So now they have no God to answer to when they sin!! Both are Biblical heresies and when somebody commits a heresy against the Word of God and teaches a falsehood, somebody else gets hurt by this sin of heresy. Thats why Christians do not tolerate heresies being taught, and thats why we protest against the heresies commited by Dan Brown's own personal Secret Gospel and the Jesus Seminar. These people teach things that will increase sin and this people will get hurt. The Bible is pure because it's God's word. When we mix oil and milk and then serve it to others to drink people will get sick and hurt. We Christians have preserved our Bible and all the original teachings therein. No amount of atheistic propaganda is going to change the clarity of the message.

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Origen
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Message 43 of 50 (374834)
01-05-2007 9:10 PM


Bye
Since I've had so many negative remarks I've decided to leave this forum. Nobody is reading the paper but still commenting on what they have not read--typical of atheists and witches! Obviously nobody wants to know the truth of our existence and would rather entrust corrupted politians with their politics over someone who did their homework thorouoghly.
This forum is just another forum run like a Casino. If somebody is good at counting cards, out the door with that person! In the same way, if a Creationist knows something that the atheist don't know--out the door, censor the topic, falsify a claim and then close the topic and claim victory!
If you all want to be left-behind when Christ returns then thats your own choice. I tried to reason with this forum but this forum knows not what reason is.

Everything was nothing before there was something.
Everything is something even if its nothing at all.
For nothingness came from Something, and that
Something has always been there.
Without an Infinite Designer, nothing,
could not have ever been.
For even Nothing is Something;
And from Something...came everything.
~ Jason Fessenden

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anglagard
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Message 44 of 50 (374837)
01-05-2007 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Origen
01-05-2007 9:10 PM


Re: Bye
Critical Thinkers: 1
Cowardly Blastphemers: 0

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Vacate
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Message 45 of 50 (374854)
01-05-2007 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Origen
01-05-2007 9:10 PM


Bye
Origen writes:
if a Creationist knows something that the atheist don't know--out the door, censor the topic, falsify a claim and then close the topic and claim victory!
So far I have not seen a topic to censor. Make your claim.
Origen writes:
The level of hate that witches and atheists have in common against God and those who believe Him is at an all time--just has prophecied it would be. And for what reason?
Insults. For example on this thread alone -
There are two reasons why these priest have molested children...(2) They are now taught theistic evolution!
atheism is a form of imperial fascism
Richard Dawkins is 'an' antichrist
the Bible and all literature conneted would be burned and there would be another Holocaust. And yes, the Holocaust did happen (refuting Islamic and atheistic propaganda).
I have seen nothing resembling a topic. I have seen plenty of offensive comments that I think are your true goals for your posts. Your conduct here on the site is horrid considering the religious/moral background you claim to represent.
Good day to you! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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