Homosexuality, the natural choice? (Gay Animals are Common)

Look at bonobos and the way they use sex to defuse tension between members in thier groups.Not that their survival is guaranteed ....Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : survival

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Not that I have seen.The male-male behavior that is documented is "penis-fencing" - a rubbing behavior similar to female-female clitoris rubbing. Nor has this been documented as occurring after male-female sex the way the female-female rubbing is.Nor is there documentation of fisting and other more esoterotic human behaviors.The females seems to dominate and are more sexual than the males, which may be a crucial difference.See
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The Bonobo Page (Prof. W. H. Calvin)
http://weber.ucsd.edu/%7Ejmoore/publications/Stanford.htmlI think one thing to consider with the Bonobos, is that there is virtually no sexual selection because sex is shared so frequently and willingly, and this may have resulted in Bonobos being overall less fit than Chimps, thus explaining why there are one kind of Bonobos and three kinds of Chimps.This would be kind of like our removal of a lot of natural selection through medicine, but without the benefit of the medicine.I also think that sexual selection played a significant role in human development, driving the rapid development of neoteny features, apparent bareness, long head hair, large penises, longer and more frequent intercourse, mating rituals (art and music), and large brains. See Sexual Selection, Stasis, Runaway Selection, Dimorphism, & Human Evolutionand
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Given that dogs will lick themselves to masturbate (why? because they can ...) as well as sniff and lick each other, I don't think it is a difference in kind of behavior so much as a difference in degree. Or like dog masturbation it is because we can do it and it feels good to those that like it.I'm not sure that civilization has much to do with it, other than increasing the likelihood that people of like minds will find each other.Or the effect of civilization has some hormonal effect we have yet to discern. We know that households of women living together have tended to caused the women to align their menstrual cycles to the same rhythm, so there could also be an effect on women in houses dominated by males (especially male children) to have a hormonal effect that influences the development of new male children.Or it could be a build up of anti-bodies to male hormones from previous children developing in the womb and suffusing the mother with a surfeit of male hormones that her body objects to.Or it could be all three in differing degrees.Enjoy.

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Then we can attack the important issues, like being blond. I think it is affected by several locii not just one, and that these are susceptible to womb environmental factors during development, so "eliminating" the gene(s) won't necessarily eliminate the behavior.Enjoy.

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Obviously. And for the same reason - xenophobia of what you don't understand. One of the great reasons for culture wars down through history eh? "They are different, therefore bad" has been one of the mainstays, and is particularly virulent in the religiuos culture wars where it becomes "They are different, therefore wrong, therefore evil, and evil must be wiped out" ...It seems to me that if we are going to eliminate some genetic predisposition in people we could do well to start with one that has caused a lot of bloodshed and grief -- the "religious gene" -- and get rid of the religious wars.Enjoy.

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Instead of that why don't we give married folks the same benefits that non-married folk have?We already have "common-law marriages" where the legal constraints of property etc are extended even though the people are NOT married, so ... the fact of marriage does not matter to what the laws cover.Lets remove this bit of an archaic past that no longer applies to modern society and move into the 20th century (at least) and put everyone one the same level - relationship recognized for legal purposes based on how you live.LEGALLY it doesn't matter if you have a piece of paper from a church or whatever, the issue is how you live, so we no longer need to refer to the piece of paper in any legislation.Only once you have removed the bias against "marriage" (= ownership anyway) from all legal documents will couples be free to enjoy the benefits of the rest of society.Enjoy.

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Actually "troll" is a fairly well defined internet term:http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/t/troll.html

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troll
(v.) (1) To deliberately post derogatory or inflammatory comments to a community forum, chat room, newsgroup and/or a blog in order to bait other users into responding.

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Particularly to get a "flame" response when the victim loses it.

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Think they might pass a law that removes all legal bias on marriage?Or do they think marriage needs affirmative action?Just some thoughts prior to closing time

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