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Hyroglyphx
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Message 61 of 74 (374031)
01-03-2007 2:18 PM
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01-02-2007 7:50 PM


Re: The first Temple
quote:
I'm mostly referring to the Guardian monks.
Their belief? A Paycheck? people devote their whole lives to nonsense all the time. Look at Jonestown or Heavens Gate.
Jonestown and Heaven's Gate is vastly different than people who devote their whole lives to watching over the Ark or what they believe is the Ark. For one thing, those cults just swept in and the people were under the swoon of their guru for a short time. I'm talking about a quiet servitude in solitude. There are very few people who have the intestinal fortitude to willingly subject themselves to such duty to day-in and day-out serve in such a capacity.
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Any skilled craftsman could build an exact replica based on the measurements.
I'm sorry but that is simply bullshit.
How is that bullshit? I know woodworkers who could build me an Ark based off of the measurements.
If you think that what you quoted is an accurate description then thank GOD you are not working in a job where descriptions are important and may I never get you as a juror in a trial.
If its not accurate then you must have some sort of insight on the REAL descriptions, in which case, how did you come into such an esoteric knowledge?
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : fixed format

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 62 of 74 (374034)
01-03-2007 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by PaulK
01-03-2007 2:55 AM


Re: inerrant, or just unread?
But compare with Buz saw in his new prophecy thread. It's pretty obvious that Buz has got no idea of what Daniel or Nahum are about, even though he's quoting them.
I haven't read it yet, so I can't say anything about it. But you have my interest piqued. What forum is it in?

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Message 63 of 74 (374037)
01-03-2007 2:30 PM
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01-03-2007 2:22 PM


Re: inerrant, or just unread?
"Fulfilled Prophecy" thread in The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy.

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jar
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Message 64 of 74 (374038)
01-03-2007 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Hyroglyphx
01-03-2007 2:18 PM


Re: The first Temple
How is that bullshit? I know woodworkers who could build me an Ark based off of the measurements.
Of course, but would it look exactly like the original?
What did the original cherubim look like? What were their expressions? How many feathers on the wings? Did the Cherubim face parallel to the rails or face perpendicular to the rails? What is the ratio of height of cherubim to that of the ark itself? Were the cherubim wings raised or lowered or level?
There simply are NO details in Exodus? That lack of detail makes the claim that the details are there bullshit.
If its not accurate then you must have some sort of insight on the REAL descriptions, in which case, how did you come into such an esoteric knowledge?
Of course I don't. And neither does anyone else. I don't need to know about its accuracy, I can say that it is not complete. Too many details are missing for anyone to say what the original looked like.
The description in Exodus is simply the very most generic factors. It gives lengths and widths. It says NOTHING about the details. For example are the rings for the rails plain, engraved, incised? If engraved or incised what is the pattern?

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Peal
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Message 65 of 74 (374082)
01-03-2007 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
12-29-2006 1:34 PM


What are your thoughts on this? Does the actual Ark of the Covenant reside in Akksum, Ethiopia to this day? Do they only think they have the actual Ark or is it the real deal? Did such an Ark ever really exist? If so, did God make it disappear so as to not be worshipped as God Himself? What are your thoughts?
Revelation 11:19 (New International Version)
19 Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.
If the bible is correct, maybe the ark is with God, in his temple in heaven, and not on earth.

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Message 66 of 74 (374101)
01-03-2007 5:36 PM
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01-03-2007 4:54 PM


I wonder why one would conflate the Ark of Revelation with the Ark of Exodus?
An "ark" is a protective container: Noah's ark, Moses' ark, the Ark of the Covenant.... Each had a different cargo. If there is a New Covenant between God and His new Chosen People, wouldn't there be a new ark in heaven to contain it?

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Message 67 of 74 (374104)
01-03-2007 5:45 PM
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01-03-2007 5:36 PM


If there is a New Covenant between God and His new Chosen People, wouldn't there be a new ark in heaven to contain it?
I guess there could be a new ark to contain the new covenant, but is it mentioned in the bibical text somewhere that a new ark was needed to contain the new covenant?
Are the things housed in the ark of Exodus relevant to the new convenent?
Off the top of my head: Moses budding rod, yes; Manna, yes; the ten commandants for sure. What else was stored in there?
Edited by Peal, : No reason given.

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Brian
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Message 68 of 74 (374111)
01-03-2007 6:00 PM
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01-03-2007 5:36 PM


An "ark" is a protective container:
And the KJV describes Moses' reed basket as an ark.
And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes
I have been told by some Christians that Jesus is the Ark of the New Covenant, but I haven't seen any justification for this in the NT.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 69 of 74 (374114)
01-03-2007 6:03 PM
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01-03-2007 5:45 PM


Moses budding rod
That would be Aaron's budding rod?
Brian.

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Message 70 of 74 (374118)
01-03-2007 6:06 PM
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01-03-2007 6:03 PM


That would be Aaron's budding rod?
Brian.
Correct.

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Brian
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Message 71 of 74 (374123)
01-03-2007 6:16 PM
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01-03-2007 6:06 PM


It seems that everything except the tablets had been removed, if 1 Kings 8:9 is accurate that is:
There was nothing in the ark except the two stone tablets that Moses had placed in it at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the Israelites after they came out of Egypt.
I don't recall anywhere in the Bible where the manna and rod were removed. Perhaps the stories come from two different traditions?
Brian.

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ringo
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Message 72 of 74 (374147)
01-03-2007 6:53 PM
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01-03-2007 5:45 PM


Peal writes:
... but is it mentioned in the bibical text somewhere that a new ark was needed to contain the new covenant?
I'm just sayin', there's a whole lotta arks floatin' 'round. Why assume that the one mentioned in Revelation is the same as one of the others?
And, as far as I know, the Biblical text doesn't say anything about that particular Ark being FedExed up to heaven. There's enough that is in the Bible that can't be confirmed. Why add more speculation?
Are the things housed in the ark of Exodus relevant to the new convenent?
That's why I wondered why the same ark would be used. Would God have a "mortgage-burning ceremony" to get rid of ye olde contents and make room for the new?
Edited by Ringo, : Punctification.

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Message 73 of 74 (374303)
01-04-2007 2:11 AM
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01-03-2007 11:23 AM


Re: The first Temple
I want to know what happened to Mrs. Noah`s jewellry.

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Message 74 of 74 (374307)
01-04-2007 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Hyroglyphx
01-03-2007 2:18 PM


Re: The first Temple
There are very few people who have the intestinal fortitude to willingly subject themselves to such duty to day-in and day-out serve in such a capacity.
How about the Islamics that point their bum to the sky five times a day? And there are zillions of them.

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