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Rob 
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Message 196 of 210 (361211)
11-03-2006 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by ringo
11-03-2006 6:10 PM


It's rather like democracy - it's not a perfect system, but it's the best we humans can manage.

Precisely why an inhuman process is the only thing capable of changing us.

"When humans should have become as perfect in voluntary obedience as the inanimate creation is in its lifeless obedience, then they will put on its glory, or rather that greater glory of which Nature is only the first sketch."
(C.S. Lewis The Weight of Glory)


"Now that I am a Christian I do not have moods in which the whole thing looks very improbable: but when I was an atheist I had moods in which Christianity looked terribly probable."
(C. S. Lewis)
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DrJones*
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Message 197 of 210 (361212)
11-03-2006 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Rob
11-03-2006 6:09 PM


Re: Sorry to bug you, but...
That is why the biggest name of all is JESUS!

Never heard of him.


Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor
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Rob 
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Message 198 of 210 (361213)
11-03-2006 6:17 PM


As per Jar's admonishment, perhaps the best place for this discussion is in Angalard's thread which is on topic.

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=32&t=57&m=1 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=32&t=57&m=1">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=32&t=57&m=1


    
Rob 
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Message 199 of 210 (361215)
11-03-2006 6:20 PM
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11-03-2006 6:15 PM


Re: Sorry to bug you, but...
Never heard of him.

Who do you mean?

I respect a skeptic, even a smug one. It is the cynic who is in danger of suicide.

"A great many of those who 'debunk' traditional...values have in the background values of their own which they believe to be immune from the debunking process."
(C.S. Lewis The Abolition of Man)


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Message 200 of 210 (361216)
11-03-2006 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Rob
11-03-2006 6:13 PM


Rob writes:

Precisely why an inhuman process is the only thing capable of changing us.

We're not talking about "changing us".
We're talking about answering questions like, "How old is the earth?"

And unless you can point to evidence of "inhuman processes", you have no business mentioning them in a science thread.


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Message 201 of 210 (361218)
11-03-2006 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Rob
11-03-2006 6:20 PM


Re: Sorry to bug you, but...
Never heard of him.

Who do you mean?

What do you mean? You put out a name, I replied that I had never heard of him/her and now you've forgotten who we're talking about?


Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor
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Message 202 of 210 (361219)
11-03-2006 6:29 PM
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11-03-2006 6:27 PM


Topic please
I have warned Rob, now I am warning you. Please try to stay on topic.


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    Message 203 of 210 (361220)
    11-03-2006 6:29 PM
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    11-03-2006 6:15 PM


    Re: Sorry to bug you, but...
    Google is your friend.

    Although I don't see why Rob thinks he fits into this conversation.


    Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus
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    Message 204 of 210 (361276)
    11-03-2006 7:59 PM
    Reply to: Message 190 by Rob
    11-03-2006 5:38 PM


    Re: Sorry to bug you, but...
    I want to know how well you understand the way the peer-review process works.

    quote:
    More or less as well as any other human attempt to control themselves.

    No, no, rob.

    I am confident that you are perfectly aware that I didn't ask for your opinion of how well scientific peer review works.

    I am equally confident that you know that I asked you to describe the process.

    Please stop wasting my time.

    Here, I'll help you get started:

    Joe Biologist has done some research and has written up his results in a paper. He's like to publish his work in the prestigious professional journal, Super Duper Biological Science.

    What's his first step?

    Edited by AdminJar, : fix quote code


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    Message 205 of 210 (361278)
    11-03-2006 8:05 PM
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    11-03-2006 7:59 PM


    Rob has left the science forums
    Robs inability to stay on topic or respond to questions asked has resulted in his permission to post in the Science forums being removed.


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    Message 206 of 210 (362314)
    11-06-2006 11:59 PM


    Rob
    I don't mind that Rob posts in these forums. Maybe by reading some of our discourse he will learn something.

    He doesn't seem to be a fundamentalist. And therefore all he has to really worry about is Which God did all that creating. (the thousand upon thousands of them).

    Evolution is a fact. It's theory is not disproven, nor will it be. The how's of evolution is what is going to be learned ever more slowly.


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    Casey Powell 
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    Message 207 of 210 (374424)
    01-04-2007 2:09 PM
    Reply to: Message 1 by nator
    10-25-2006 6:07 PM


    Creationists have often made the claim that Evolution is not based upon facts or is not well-supported by the evidence.
    I see several logical consequences to this situation, and I'd like our Creationists to address them. I'll list them below.

    1) Scientists are liars and conspire to defraud the public -

    You don't say!

    2) Scientists are incompetent at doing science -

    NOoooooo, you're kidding me, right?

    Most of the time, Creationists don't really put forth these statements in such bold language, but they are, indeed, the logical consequence to the claim that they make; that Evolution is not supported by the evidence or is false.

    You mean, Young Earth Creation Scientists can't exist? Nonsense.

    One thing I have never seen a Creationist address adequately is the fact that science, including Biology, as an endeavor is cumulative and progressive. That is, all current scientific work is based upon past work.

    We address this every time we talk about Origin Science! Stay away from Dr. Kent Hovind, and its not too hard to miss this.

    If concept A, is discovered, replicated, and overall shown to be reliable, this will lead to concept B, which is based upon what we know about A.

    If B also turns out to be reliable, this is also confirmation of concept A. And so on, and so on and so on...

    Well Natural Selection, Variation and Speciation have all turned out to be pretty darn reliable. But Evolution...not so much.

    If the Theory of Evolution is completely false and not supported by any evidence whatsoever (only "speculation and wishful thinking"), then how is it that the study of Biology has been able to progress at all in the last 150 years? The ToE is utterly foundational to all of the life sciences and much medical research, so if it was so very wrong, all predictions based upon it should fail. Research using it as a guide should never advance much, if at all.

    Can you say, Microbiology? Evolution hasn't done squat except for pull up some of the biggest shams in the history of mankind, like Piltdown Man, the Scope Monkey Trials, Archaeoraptor, Nebraska Man, etc.

    How is it that predictions keep being made based upon the ToE that are subsequently borne out? -

    Like what? Hearsay doesn't help us understand your points. The Transitional fossil record has been a complete joke.

    Are scientists really all liars and crooks, maintaining an elaborate deception on not only an unwitting public but also upon the entire scientific community? -

    No, only the Evolutionists.......

    Or, are Biologists simply so incredibly poor at doing science that they don't realize that all of their experiments have failed?

    Well, blind men can't see...so I guess so.

    Is it Science?, please.

    No, I will not accept your special pleading fallacy. Nor your no true Scientist fallacy. Thanks anyways.

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    Message 208 of 210 (374426)
    01-04-2007 2:11 PM
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    11-06-2006 11:59 PM


    Re: Rob
    Fight for the right of the tree huggers! You can do it. Go Activism!
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    Message 209 of 210 (374431)
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    Message 210 of 210 (374434)
    01-04-2007 2:18 PM
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    Ah, thanks did not see that! :D

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