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Author Topic:   The Gory Details of 'Miracles'
ringo
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Message 106 of 123 (374996)
01-06-2007 5:46 PM
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01-06-2007 5:27 PM


scottness writes:
I just don't know what you're going to find to wear...
Can't go wrong with basic black.

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Rob 
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Message 107 of 123 (374997)
01-06-2007 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by ringo
01-06-2007 5:46 PM


Can't go wrong with basic black.
Oh yes you can.
You said:
An addiction is a dependence.
I disagree. A dependance is when we try to use a wrong thing to replace the right one.
Are you addicted to oxygen, or gravity? Water and food perhaps?
As with all things legitimate, we are dependant upon the Word of God. The Word that beccame flesh so that we could not pretend we don't know.
Black is not ignorance, it is not even clever. It is foolishness.
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ringo
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Message 108 of 123 (375009)
01-06-2007 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Rob
01-06-2007 5:54 PM


scottness writes:
A dependance is when we try to use a wrong thing to replace the right one.
Are you addicted to oxygen, or gravity? Water and food perhaps?
You're still confusing the two words.
We are dependent on oxygen, water and food. We need them to survive.
An addiction is a dependence on something that we don't need to survive - like heroin or belief in God. "Legitimacy" is irrelevant.
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Can you just let go of your confusion, stop chewing on both feet at once and try to address the topic?
The only reason I brought up the need (addiction) for AnswersTM was with respect to miracles: A miracle is "less miraculous", I said, if we look at the gory details.
The question would be: do you want to have miracles or do you want to have AnswersTM?
The two conflict with each other.

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Rob 
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Message 109 of 123 (375012)
01-06-2007 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by ringo
01-06-2007 7:23 PM


miraculous disbelief
We are dependent on oxygen, water and food. We need them to survive. An addiction is a dependence on something that we don't need to survive - like heroin or belief in God.
Uh...? hmm? what? Cough, hack, puke!
Did you forget that you're going to die?
John 11: 25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; 26 and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?
The only reason I brought up the need (addiction) for AnswersTM was with respect to miracles: A miracle is "less miraculous", I said, if we look at the gory details.
Tell that to the theoretical physicists and see what they say...
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Nighttrain
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Message 110 of 123 (375014)
01-06-2007 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Rob
01-06-2007 7:57 PM


Re: miraculous disbelief
One final comment, Rob, as we are getting far off topic and Admins have limited patience (and resources).
It doesn`t matter what religion or 'isms' you believe in, you will never convince fellow debaters if you keep quoting endlessly from your doctrine. No amount of Scriptures, from whatever source, cut the slightest ice with someone who doesn`t believe your dogma. So quoting the Bible continually is a waste of time and bandwidth. Try to stand outside your religion for a while and use reasoning on a human level, not a religious one. You can still make points and explain yourself without descending to a poster boy for what someone may or may not have said millenia ago. You can raise Scriptural issues without a lengthy broadside of quotations that I just skip over. A presentation of a thought should be to the point, not endless waffle. Try it.

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Message 111 of 123 (375020)
01-06-2007 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Nighttrain
01-06-2007 8:28 PM


Re: miraculous disbelief
It doesn`t matter what religion or 'isms' you believe in, you will never convince fellow debaters if you keep quoting endlessly from your doctrine.
I'm not trying to convince anyone. I can't.
No amount of Scriptures, from whatever source, cut the slightest ice with someone who doesn`t believe your dogma.
It's not my dogma.
So quoting the Bible continually is a waste of time and bandwidth.
Really?
Try to stand outside your religion for a while and use reasoning on a human level, not a religious one.
Like I have the answers... Yeah! they'll listen to me?
You can still make points and explain yourself without descending to a poster boy for what someone may or may not have said millenia ago.
He did say those things. That's why they killed Him.
You can raise Scriptural issues without a lengthy broadside of quotations that I just skip over.
It's too bad that you seek numinal wisdom from phenomenal men.
A presentation of a thought should be to the point, not endless waffle. Try it.
To what avail?
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anastasia
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Message 112 of 123 (375041)
01-06-2007 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Rob
01-06-2007 4:54 PM


Re: The Answer's in Anastasia
scottness writes:
That's why you misinterpret some things.
Can you tell me precisely what it is that I misinterpret? Or more importantly, how you are so convinced of my misinterpretations? I assure you that I, probably as well as most folk here, are aware of the 'correct' interpretation, and that I am still open to learning more about the language, the history, and the other interpretations of the Bible.
You really need to read your Bible and get some good solid nourishment from a real pastor/teacher
Again, what makes you so sure I don't read the Bible? Is it the old myth that Catholics don't read the Bible? I assure you again, there are very few passages which you quote which I am unfamiliar with, and when in doubt I always refer back to it. Please tell me how I can find a 'real' pastor, and why this is necessary if the Bible interprets itself? If you don't consider Thomas aKempis, Aquinas, Augustine, and the lives of the saints, as well as many devotional readings 'good spiritual nourishment' than pray tell me what is?
Because you inadvertently stepped on the Gospel.
One more question; How am I, stepping on the gospel by speaking the truth as it is shown to me, any different from you? And what is the gospel you refer to?
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anastasia
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Message 113 of 123 (375047)
01-06-2007 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by ringo
01-06-2007 7:23 PM


Ringo writes:
A miracle is "less miraculous",
I am forced to admit that a miracle is no more than an ordinary event occuring at an extraordinary time, a natural effect of an unknown cause/Cause which is left to be determined.
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ringo
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Message 114 of 123 (375054)
01-07-2007 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by anastasia
01-06-2007 11:34 PM


anastasia writes:
I am forced to admit....
**puts gun in holster**
... a miracle is no more than an ordinary event occuring at an extraordinary time....
I have always been an advocate of the "miracle of timing". Case in point: the crossing of the Red Sea. It doesn't matter how deep the water was or how high the "wall" of water piled up on both sides. The important thing is that when the Israelites crossed, the route was passable - when the Egyptians tried to follow, it was not.
Many of us have had "small miracles" in our own lives.
Many years ago, I was working construction one winter far out in the country. On this particular day, it was minus twenty or so and my boss had forgotten the keys to the only building we could shelter in, the only building with a heater, so we had to have our breaks in the car.
At quitting time, the car wouldn't start - there was a hole clean through the distributer cap and the spark was shorting out to the engine block.
We were just trying to figure out how we were going to survive the night when a car came down the hill. A friend happened to be in the area, knew we were working there and stopped by to say "Hi."
Miracle? Well, I'm still alive.

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Message 115 of 123 (375056)
01-07-2007 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Rob
01-06-2007 5:12 PM


Topic
scottness writes:
Can't we just let God be God? His will be done?
Yes, and so I suggest that we do just that and have you stop this inane preaching.

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Rob 
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Message 116 of 123 (375059)
01-07-2007 12:51 AM
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01-07-2007 12:28 AM


Re: Topic
Inane?
Well I'm speechless! And that's saying something (pun intended).
Tell mrs. pacman I said hello.

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anastasia
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Message 117 of 123 (375062)
01-07-2007 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by ringo
01-07-2007 12:16 AM


Ringo writes:
Miracle? Well, I'm still alive.
Well, I for one am glad that is so and funny you should mention the Red Sea. We were just dicussing that tonight over here, and precisely what you said; that it was a natural event with just the right timing to be worthy of memory.

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Rob 
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Message 118 of 123 (375109)
01-07-2007 11:40 AM
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01-07-2007 12:28 AM


Re: Topic
Romans 10:13-15
for "whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "how beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!"

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sidelined
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Message 119 of 123 (375112)
01-07-2007 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Rob
01-07-2007 11:40 AM


Re: Topic
scottness
How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
It is likely that they will do just fine son. There is enough bullshit hanging in an individuals own mind to sort though. One certainly does not need further additions by zealots.

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ringo
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Message 120 of 123 (375114)
01-07-2007 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Rob
01-07-2007 11:40 AM


Re: Topic
scottness writes:
"how beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!"
Trouble is, we can't see your feet 'cause they're always in your mouth.
Why do you think Jesus spoke in parables so often? He knew that in order to be effective, preaching has to be clear.
I probably pay more attention to you than most people around here, and even I don't read most of your ranting. I'd like to think you're not beyond redemption. Please stop disappointing me.

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