Creationism IS a 'Cult'ural Movement!

A cult, eh? Well, perhaps you have a point. The term, cult has an interesting definition. Ken Ham is a charismatic leader in the field of Biblical Creationism, and he has stirred the pot quite a bit! He even publishes many childrens books on the subject. It is an information cult in that many Biblical creationists get their knowledge or information from other Biblical creationists.Jon, do you think that Biblical Creationism is only an issue due to education? Is it that some parents are brainwashed into thinking that there is an evil conspiracy afoot in the education system to brainwash their kids into turning atheist?Edited by Phat, : clarification

People are, of course, free to believe whatever they want. Its only when the educational focus is diluted with beliefs rather than with empirical facts that it becomes an issue of national concern.So Jon, what do you want to prove here? That Biblical Creationism is entirely a cultic movement?

Just so I can understand you, do creationists (Biblical Creationists) have a method of discovering truth that is not the same as a typical secular scientist?

I would imagine that the scientific method neither confirms nor rules out the existence of God.But you never answered my other question. Do creationists have another method of logical inquiry besides the scientific method as defined above?

Thanks for your reply. Lets keep within the original topic as much as we can, here. Jon seems to believe that creationism is a social movement with no discernible discipline involved. You, on the other hand, seem to be advocating that creationists presuppose God and then work from there.I have no problem presupposing God, (being a believer and all) but Im at a loss to understand why there is even any sort of disagreement between a Spirit-filled scientist and a garden variety scientist that watches Oprah and/or football.

I think that what you are referring to is the philosophical arguments... The logical fallacies that many anti-Creatorists bring up from time to time. Just so we are clear, God cannot be scientifically proven and yet could very well still exist. (I believe) You seem to imply that the presupposition of Gods existence needs to be a provable criteria.If so, it is provable within my own heart and internal awareness to the satisfaction of my conscience and heart. I feel no need to attempt to prove God to anyone else aside from living the best way that I know how and doing what the Spirit tells me to do as best as I can.Thats just me, however, and its only applicable to this topic in that you said that creation science differs from secular science in that God is a presupposition.

I'm not sure that I would agree that the need is not necessary (being a believer and all) but I would agree with you that I don't need to fear going to a Doctor who is an unbeliever because I fear that his knowledge about how to help me take care of my body is unconnected to the Creator as a source.I trust that the Doc understands germs and biochemical reactions and my diseases and how bodies work fairly well.

So you are an engineer. If you and a group of engineers are working on designing a large project, is it important whether or not all of the engineers are believers? In other words, could an unbelieving engineer be capable of constructing a bridge, for example?

He went to work.In order to keep this thread on topic, lets determine what the topic is.Here are the points I gathered:

Creation science--how does it differ from secular science and the methodology of same?

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Why the rift?

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Is Biblical Creationism a movement with established guidelines?

IF biological evolution is the wrong way to think, explain to me how you came to this conclusion, and be honest. Did you attempt to study it? Did you hear anyone else tell you why it was wrong and accept their logic?Did you get struck off your horse on the way to Damascus?Share with me the reason that you became so anti-establishment in this
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Holy Moly! 53% I never even considered 6000 years as a valid figure even in my worst brainwashed daze!I used to think Jesus would likely return during my lifetime but I now dont worry about it. He will show up when least expected, so i always have a place set at the table for Him.I never knew that our culture was so...so...so ignorant of reality?

why does belief in God necessitate belief in Biblical creationism anyway?The idea of a literal inerrant interpretation of scripture is rather new, and far from conclusive in Christian circles.

Kids should be exposed to everything, in my opinion, so that they can form their own beliefs and not be indoctrinated by their parents.

I am aware that Newton was a Christian but did he reject the methods of scientific inquiry of his day? What is your definition of a creationist, anyway? Give me a solid definition...so that I can understand why there is a debate to begin with?I would think that science would be science no matter if the scientist were a Christian, an Atheist, or a Jedi Monk.Why must creation science be a different type of science than secular science? This is what puzzles me.

Are you saying that this "other side" doesn't know what science really is? And why must there be an other side, anyway?

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The definition that Percy gave in message#111 was a good one, in my opinion. I don't see why there is a rift.