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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4130 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
when people are hated for the people they love, the human race has lost all hope of ever being happy ever again
and when it matters who loves you, instead of that fact that you have people who love you, i have lost all hope for humanity it makes me sick inside that what sex you are, what color,religion, or ethicity matters in anything when it comes to compassion and love for other people it just makes me want to cry and ask god why he doesn't do anything
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5520 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
crashfrog, re:
I don't see where the gays lose anything by gaining a civil-union status. What, besides the 1000+ Federal rights accorded to, and only to, married couples? And to continue the same analogy - what do the African-Americans lose by gaining their own public water fountains?
I dunno. MLK died before I was able to ask him that question. ”Hoot Mon
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5520 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Tasmanian Devil, re:
The real issue is so what if it is 100% choice? It makes no difference if tomorrow we find out that gay people are gay without any biological reason whatsoever. Since when did we as a society have the right to exclude other people from certain rights simply because they made a concious choice?
No problem there. I'm not out to take any RIGHTS away from anyone.
In other words, whether homosexuality is a choice or not should have no bearing on what rights homosexuals should or shouldn't get. A few years ago, I hosted a gay couple from Norway who had 2 adopted sons with them. The affections they had for each other and the love they had for their non-biological sons made me had no doubt that these people probably made better parents than most straight couples out there, including myself.
Once again, why would gays have to be "married" if a civil union ceremony with equivalent rights was available to them. It comes down to a just a single word, which is NOT a right. (Remember, I want gays to have ALL the rights they deserve.) I see no reason why these people who are committing their lives to a monogomous relationship can't be legally recognized and yet straight people like me can marry, get a divorce, remarry, get another divorce, and remarry again and again and again. And since you took the liberty to post one of your gay soap operas, I'll post one of my poems along the same lines: Doe Bay Is OK What’s queer about Doe Bay, they say,is bathing in the buff. Those mineral springs will do strange things to tenderize your duff. The other day I did Doe Bayand took the mineral splash. We ate kumquats and microdots and it was quite a bash. They passed a bottle of something around for everyone to sip. I watched it skip from lip to lip. I went ahead and I took a nip and then began to wonder if maybe I was rash. You see, while in the drink I had happen to think about the ones among us who carried germs and maybe worms and probably toenail fungus. What I want to say about Doe Bayis how nice the people are, and how politely they invited me to put out my cigar. And when I abused the pop machine, left my litter on the green, called my mate a bloody queen, and failed to use the camp latrine, they never lost their cool. We chilled out in the pool. So who’s to say about Doe Baythat being gay is not OK? Besides, they were only a fraction. Plenty were there in the pool that day who were not gay and didn’t stray from heterosexual action. Hoot Mon
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5520 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
crashfrog wrote:
If I were a black person I might be insulted by your remark. Please, how should racial rights extend all the way to homosexual rights under the law? Aren't you mismatching your principles? I'm pretty sure blacks are black by nature, and not by choice. I don't know yet if the same thing is true about gays. That's why I bothered to ask if gay-ness occurs naturally in other species. Apparently it does. But I would not be so inclined to equate racial GENETICS with sexual PREFERENCE, simply because they are matters of different contexts. No, you're just avoiding my question. It's a simple one, but apparently it was too subtle, so let me ask it explicitly - if we rejected "seperate but equal" accomodations for black people, why should we accept them for gay people? ”hoot Mon
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
I'm pretty sure blacks are black by nature, and not by choice. I don't know yet if the same thing is true about gays. You know, as always, there's a really easy way to test whether or not this is the case. 1) Go to the m4m section of your local craigslist. (Or w4w, if you are female.) Post an ad looking for NSA sex. 2) Meet up with the most attractive person who responds. Perform oral sex on them. 3) While doing so, choose to be aroused by the experience. 4) Come back here, and tell us how incredibly easy it was to choose to be gay.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5520 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Hoot Mon wrote: Porn? How so? the bias that two gay men having sex or kissing is gross but two gay women are not sorry but i find your bigotry sickining. for someone who's "trying" to have an openmind you already show you already closed the door on this issue”the fact is if it is found it nature it is part of nature and not an abberration”yes because they are gay or a dwarf or anything they are fringe and should be ignored till they are a problem for you.
Gosh, I didn’t know I had such enormous powers!
my faith in humanity just went down a notch yes because being gay is a bad thing and somehow effects your life and well being .
Whoever said that?
when people are hated for the people they love, the human race has lost all hope of ever being happy ever again
Maybe because He’s gay? Has anyone ever bothered to ask? and when it matters who loves you, instead of that fact that you have people who love you, i have lost all hope for humanity it makes me sick inside that what sex you are, what color, religion, or ethicity matters in anything when it comes to compassion and love for other peopleit just makes me want to cry and ask god why he doesn't do anything ”Hoot Mon
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Taz Member (Idle past 3311 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
Are you misreading my messages on purpose or are you incapable correctly reading them? No problem there. I'm not out to take any RIGHTS away from anyone. I haven't suggested that you want to take people's rights away. I have suggested, however, that you want to exclude people from certain rights, which I will explain next.
Once again, why would gays have to be "married" if a civil union ceremony with equivalent rights was available to them. It comes down to a just a single word, which is NOT a right. (Remember, I want gays to have ALL the rights they deserve.)
Then explain to me why the two dozen or so states that have laws banning gay marriage also banned any form of union whatsoever that remotely resemble marriage? People like you keep saying that you are fine with gay people having some kind of civil union but then you always seem to legislate and vote for laws that would ban ANY possiility for gay people to enjoy even a few rights that married couples enjoy. Personally, if my gay friends support civil union then I would respect their wishes and follow them. But every legislation thus far that want to exclude gays from "marriage" also at the same time exclude gays from ANY form of union that recognizes partnership.
And since you took the liberty to post one of your gay soap operas, I'll post one of my poems along the same lines:
I'd hardly call x-men a soap opera. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Taz Member (Idle past 3311 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
You did, when you suggested that the problem would go away once we can clinically "cure" gay people on outgoing patience. It is the same tone we use today for AIDS, cancer, and other currently incurable diseases. You have been beating around the bushes, but it is clear to everyone here that deep down you equate homosexuality to something like leprosy and gay people to lepers.
Rev writes:
Whoever said that? yes because being gay is a bad thing and somehow effects your life and well being . Maybe because He’s gay? Has anyone ever bothered to ask?
Maybe who's gay? Are you talking about me? If so, you should be aware that I have no gay tendency whatsoever. If I ever get the urge, I'll be the first to let you know. In the mean time, perhaps you should consider that not everyone who sees an injustice in the gay rights issue is gay. Coincidently, I'm a feminist... doesn't mean I'm a woman. I'm white, doesn't mean I'm a white nationalist. I'm an atheist, doesn't mean that I regularly attend kitten and puppy BBQ's. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Just a joke, Hoot. -
quote: While you're muttering, I'll remind our readers that unlike most other animals, humans don't have "natural" behaviors. In particular, humnans don't have "natural" sexual behaviors. Humans seem to have natural desire to live among other humans, and maybe there's a natural desire to have sex with another human being, but even these seem to be few and far between. What behaviors become "natural" and "unnatural" are largely a matter of the culture. I have always preferred, as guides to human action, messy hypothetical imperatives like the Golden Rule, based on negotiation, compromise and general respect, to the Kantian categorical imperatives of absolute righteousness, in whose name we so often murder and maim until we decide that we had followed the wrong instantiation of the right generality. -- Stephen Jay Gould
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5520 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Tasmanian Devil wrote:
You have been beating around the bushes, but it is clear to everyone here that deep down you equate homosexuality to something like leprosy and gay people to lepers.
Nah. You don't really know what's "deep down" inside me, do you? I'm only asking if gay-ness is "natural," as in "biologically natural." And there IS evidence suggesting that it IS natural. The alternative, of course, is that homosexuality is achieved by choice. That's my direction of inquiry. Why is it wrong for me to ask these questions? And then you wrote:
it just makes me want to cry and ask god why he doesn't do anything Then I wrote:
Maybe because He’s gay? Has anyone ever bothered to ask?
Then he wrote:
Maybe who's gay? Are you talking about me? If so, you should be aware that I have no gay tendency whatsoever. If I ever get the urge, I'll be the first to let you know. In the mean time, perhaps you should consider that not everyone who sees an injustice in the gay rights issue is gay.
Opps. Are you really paying attention here? ”Hoot Mon
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
The alternative, of course, is that homosexuality is achieved by choice. That's my direction of inquiry. Why is it wrong for me to ask these questions? It's not. Have you tried the handy-dandy test I laid out in post 65? Should answer your questions pretty quickly.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5520 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Chiroptera, re:
While you're muttering, I'll remind our readers that unlike most other animals, humans don't have "natural" behaviors. In particular, humnans don't have "natural" sexual behaviors.
Ah! I see the rub. You and I differ on a key point”I think humans are ENTIRELY natural, and you think we are UNNATURAL, at least in part. Humans seem to have natural desire to live among other humans, and maybe there's a natural desire to have sex with another human being, but even these seem to be few and far between. What behaviors become "natural" and "unnatural" are largely a matter of the culture. What is the alternative if humans are not regarded as "natural"? I don't see much that sets us apart from other animals. In truth, I'm not even sure if we are the most advanced species. (Termites and orcas are impressive, too.) ”Hoot Mon
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Taz Member (Idle past 3311 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
Yes, and I can assure you that I am the almighty... Ok, I get it now Opps. Are you really paying attention here? AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5520 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Dan Carroll, re:
Have you tried the handy-dandy test I laid out in post 65?
Sorry. Not going there. ”Hoot Mon
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Sorry. Not going there. Why not? If one can choose to be gay, you'll love it, no matter what your feelings on the subject are right now. Edited by Dan Carroll, : for further clarification
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