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Author | Topic: Homosexuality, the natural choice? (Gay Animals are Common) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
By way of what reasoning? Go back and read the two paragraphs or so you cut off, there. The whole "I'm just askin' questions" angle drops a notch in credibility when you ignore the answers. Speaking of which, have you rented that porn yet? Were you able to choose to let it get you hot?
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Oh, I didn't realize you were just trying to make us seem a bit silly. I thought you were saying that you can't choose to be gay. The beautiful thing about arguing with people who say that homosexuality is a choice, is that you get to do both. You can't choose to be something other than straight. So why would you assume that there are not gay people out there who can't choose to be something other than gay? Edited by Dan Carroll, : clarity avoids semantic nonsense
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You can't choose to be something other than straight. I'm not so sure about that, but honestly, I've never tried. I think you might be able to be forced into it. Or at least forced into it not being so bad, and then gradually learn to like it, but is that really being gay, I dunno.
So why would you assume that there are not gay people out there who can't choose to be something other than gay? I had a friend that started hanging out with a new crowd, and then started saying they were gay and then when they stopped hanging out with those people all of the sudden they were straight again. I guess they weren't really gay, but they were really gay, if you know what I mean. Also, there's no way, to my knowledge, to test whether someone really is gay or not. Does it always come down to what you are willing to fuck? It could be easy to fake it so certainly people could be choosing to 'act' gay. Of course you could say thay they're Not A True Gay-men. All in all, I don't think you can say that someone can't choose to be gay.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
I'm not so sure about that, but honestly, I've never tried. *shrugs* Give it a whirl, then get back to us.
I think you might be able to be forced into it. Or at least forced into it not being so bad, and then gradually learn to like it, but is that really being gay, I dunno. Yeah, people love getting raped. Also, if you get raped by a dude? You catch the gay.
I had a friend that started hanging out with a new crowd, and then started saying they were gay and then when they stopped hanging out with those people all of the sudden they were straight again. I guess they weren't really gay, but they were really gay, if you know what I mean. They could be bi. They could be gay. They could be straight. See, that's the thing... I'm not in your friend's head. It would be astonishingly fucking presumptuous of me to try and say that I know what his sexuality really is, and whether or not it was a choice for him.
All in all, I don't think you can say that someone can't choose to be gay. Don't recall doing so. In fact, I already pointed out that I can't say what every single person on the planet is or is not capable of doing. But when it comes down to it, there are demonstrably people on this planet who are not capable of choosing their sexuality. So trying to say that homosexuality is a choice is asinine.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Jaderis writes: It ["marriage"] is just a word, after all. Tasmanian Devil replies: I'm afraid that the issue is more complicated than that. Indeed! I think it is germane to mention here that I am in love with my sailboat Pearl. Yes, I know she’s made of fiberglass, but she’s beautiful nevertheless. Sexy too! When I’m inside her I feel like I’m back in the womb. We have been going together now for about 10 years, so we think it is time to get married. But when I applied for a marriage license at the county courthouse they said that the law didn’t have provisions enabling me to marry Pearl. How absolutely devastating! How can they refuse to grant a sailor his right to marry whomever he loves? Pearl and I feel very abused. (We could not have children, of course, but there is a dinghy involved from a previous relationship with another sailboat.) ”Hoot Mon
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Yes, and I'm sure your precious Pearl could sign a marriage contract.
AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Yeah, Crash already went over that with him.
But... y'know. He waited a couple days, and then repeated himself. So it's a real smart idea now.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
[QS=CatholicScientist[]All in all, I don't think you can say that someone can't choose to be gay.[/QS]
Dan writes: Don't recall doing so. In fact, I already pointed out that I can't say what every single person on the planet is or is not capable of doing. But when it comes down to it, there are demonstrably people on this planet who are not capable of choosing their sexuality. So trying to say that homosexuality is a choice is asinine.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I think you might be able to be forced into it. Or at least forced into it not being so bad, and then gradually learn to like it, but is that really being gay, I dunno. Yeah, people love getting raped. Also, if you get raped by a dude? You catch the gay.
My point was that sexual preference might not be as immutable as you seem to be suggesting.
I had a friend that started hanging out with a new crowd, and then started saying they were gay and then when they stopped hanging out with those people all of the sudden they were straight again. I guess they weren't really gay, but they were really gay, if you know what I mean. They could be bi. They could be gay. They could be straight. See, that's the thing... I'm not in your friend's head. It would be astonishingly fucking presumptuous of me to try and say that I know what his sexuality really is, and whether or not it was a choice for him.
O rly?
All in all, I don't think you can say that someone can't choose to be gay. Don't recall doing so.
quote: While it isn't explicit, it certainly looks like you are claiming that people are unable to choose to be gay.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
How are you so sure about that?
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Agreed all around. Only one thing prompts me to respond...
Behavior is most definitely a choice. True. However, I think behavior is kind of irrelevant when it comes to this topic. Someone doesn't stop being gay, even if they never have sex. Just as a celibate straight person doesn't stop being straight.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Some nitpics:
Gender, by definition, is a social construct regarding culture-bound conventions, roles and behaviors for, as well as relationships between and among individuals within that society. Some would argue that specific types of gender, such as masculine and feminine, are usually socially assigned to specific sex of the individuals portraying such genders, they are not necessarily bound to the assigned sex. In other words, gender sometimes is a choice people make. Attraction CAN be a choice. In societies where arranged marriages were rampant and are still in practice, it should be noted that these people literally "chose" to like each other and grew intimate with one another. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
My point was that sexual preference might not be as immutable as you seem to be suggesting. However, your point assumes that rape is fun. Problem is, I read this study a while back... it alleged that maybe 10% or so of rape victims actually don't like it. Sounded weird to me, but hey. Can't argue with science.
O rly? [stupid internet catch-phrase in response] While it isn't explicit, it certainly looks like you are claiming that people are unable to choose to be gay. No... I am claiming that there are people who are unable to choose their sexuality. And that if this is the case, then trying to say that homosexuality is a choice is stupid. I'm pretty sure I've said that, like, fifteen or sixteen billion times at this point.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
CS writes:
For some of us, IT IS as immutable as he seemed to have suggested. My point was that sexual preference might not be as immutable as you seem to be suggesting. Look, not every straight guy have tried to stay away from gay behaviors like you. I will go ahead and confess it right here. I tried all the gay stuff many times in college. While I can't say how you would react to the same experiences (I can't read people's minds damn it), I can say with absolute certainty that the experiences back then didn't turn me gay and it sure as hell won't change me gay anytime soon. For those of us that are completely secured with our sexuality, we are not as caught up with the whole sanctity of marriage thing. Sure, I'm happy to be married. If my gay friends start marrying each other, I really don't see how that is going to affect MY marriage or MY sexuality. Added by edit. If gay experiences didn't turn me gay, what makes you think something is going to change certain gay people? Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
crashfrog, re:
The Hells Angels say their rights are abused if they can't have fist fights in the parking lot.
Really? You have, perhaps, an example of that? ”Hoot Mon
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