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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 13 of 301 (375707)
01-09-2007 3:10 PM


I would like to interject these observations into this exchange.
arachnophilia writes:
i think phat is the prime example of why your suggestion will not work. it's not because creationists can't make good moderators. it's that when they do, they are no longer creationists. they are part of the evil evolutionist conspiracy designed to keep creationists down.
I believe you are correct in your evil assessment of their perception.
I think however that you are missing a simple fact. It is not creationism they defend. It is what creationism represents to them that is accosted. Science sees only details and facts and this forum demands this in an adversarial environment. They do not percieve science as uplifting. Science comes from an inhuman place of fact. They are coming from a very emotionally charged place of belief. It is uplifting for them. there is nothing uplifting about this sight to them. What does it have to offer in their eyes? Facts which are meaningless, offered in an adversarial environment by people who argue the existance of belief itself? The place where they come from can offer inner peace. They get that. But not here.
Admin writes:
I have often thought this myself. I fear it is true and hope that it isn't. If true then it means that rational dialogue between the two sides will never truly be possible. There will always be the occasional example of changing sides, but for the most part the best each side can hope for is to persuade the undecided. But if it is somehow possible to forge a bridge of understanding between science and conservative religion, and I think it premature to say it's not, then the search for that bridge that we perform every day at websites like this one is worthwhile because of the potential rewards.
One need not fear. It is true. Rational dialogue is an interesting theory. This would be possible if the premiss were understood. Science is detail fixated. Creationism is a meaningless detail in the big picture. Examining it's merrit from a scientific standpoint offers nothing of value to them. Harping upon it and encouraging debate over it will not achieve anything. I am curious what one might see as the potential rewards from this sights perspective.
Arachnophilia writes:
*performs a brief tap-dance, and bows with arms open, leaning to one side.*
tada.
the truth of this statement, like everything else you or i have said, depends entirely on the creationists. it's not a conspiracy that we have no creationist admins here, or not even very many creationist members here. it's because they either chicken out (and become martyrs) or succeed and become excluded.
if you exclude people, especially based on factors that have nothing to do with your defining belief, you're only going to limit your numbers. this is a truism, and it should be obvious. while most of the problem is really creationist attendance, acceptance of moderators who are creationists is the acid test. so far, i think they fail
Any creationist believes the story not because it's true. They believe in it because of what it represents, which is true to them. This sight
is not about the truth they seek. It is about it's own agenda. Apples and oranges.
Creationism is not the issue. It is the vehicle or tool. This sight to me is all about a notion of being blinded by belief. Many come to this sight and percieve people blinded by science to belief. Both sides wish to open each others eyes but to very different things by nature.
I see both as worthy pursuits. This sight, to me, as a whole, does not. It favors and promotes only one by nature of it's foundations.
A moderator can not interject belief or their faith in it. Therefore they will allways apear to reject it. In that sense this sight will forever be closed unto itself. A recognition of the truth of both points of view is needed. This is near impossible to achieve in an adversarial environment.
In a place of worship the views held here would hold no water. They would be out of their element and meaningless. The same holds true of them coming to this house of worship if you will.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : The middle quote had been attributed to "AdminPhat". I have changed that to the correct "Admin".

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