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arachnophilia
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Message 16 of 301 (376430)
01-12-2007 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Nighttrain
01-12-2007 1:30 AM


Re: Rationality and "Fervent" Christians (or "Christian, heal thyself!")
One possible conclusion you haven`t canvassed, Percy, (AFAICR) in your determination to attract a better class of creationist, is that they have lurked here for a while, shook their heads at the very tolerance shown to loons, and moved on.
we run into a definitional problem here. the "loons" are defining what is and what is not a creationist. we have a lot of people here who claim to be creationists, but are not according to the loons.
really, it's just the loons isolating themselves into a smaller and smaller group of wannabe martyrs. you will never get a reasonable creationist on this board. not once, not ever. because it is a contradiction in terms -- when one shows reason, they are (according to the loons) not a creationist. because creationism is a position of faith. not reason. it can masquerade as science -- but the moment one of them brings up a mainstream scientific point instead of the standard creationist "let's foul up science" talking points, they've become something other than a creationist.
it's the minority against the majority because this is the way the minority chooses to define themselves. they want to seen as persecuted, so it looks like they have a great evil to fight against. and when they fail, they want the excuse of supposed injustice to justify their retreat. if you can't win an argument, just pretend the rules are rigged against you. which they are -- that "demanding evidence" bit totally screws creationism, doesn't it?
Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.


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Message 17 of 301 (376485)
01-12-2007 11:09 AM


So, AdminPhat?
Can you please explain in a bit more detail why you closed the castor oil pack thread?
I don't quite understand why your apparent "respect" for "poor purpledawn" should result in you closing the thread.
Why should her arguments be protected from criticism through the closure of the thread just because she doesn't like them being criticized?

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Message 18 of 301 (376493)
01-12-2007 11:33 AM
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01-12-2007 11:09 AM


Re: So, AdminPhat?
If I recall correctly, you wanted to start the thread primarily to educate or attempt to educate and inform PurpleDawn as to the irrationality of castor oil packs. Purple has made it clear that she is tired of being challenged to think critically. In my mind, this particular topic is thus over. Do you see it in any way differently? I would prefer that if you want to discuss quackery versus integrity, you start another topic.

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Message 19 of 301 (377423)
01-16-2007 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by arachnophilia
01-12-2007 4:21 AM


Re: Rationality and "Fervent" Christians (or "Christian, heal thyself!")
really, it's just the loons isolating themselves into a smaller and smaller group of wannabe martyrs. you will never get a reasonable creationist on this board. not once, not ever. because it is a contradiction in terms -- when one shows reason, they are (according to the loons) not a creationist. because creationism is a position of faith. not reason. it can masquerade as science -- but the moment one of them brings up a mainstream scientific point instead of the standard creationist "let's foul up science" talking points, they've become something other than a creationist.
Invulnerable logic says any Creationist that an Evolutionist approves of is not a genuine Creationist; and when anyone is branded a loon by an Evolutionist this measns the exact opposite is true since evolutionists believe apes morphed into men and other assorted unscientific nonsense.
it's the minority against the majority because this is the way the minority chooses to define themselves. they want to seen as persecuted, so it looks like they have a great evil to fight against. and when they fail, they want the excuse of supposed injustice to justify their retreat. if you can't win an argument, just pretend the rules are rigged against you. which they are -- that "demanding evidence" bit totally screws creationism, doesn't it?
Could we expect a Darwinist to say or believe anything else?
ToE = atheist philosophy packaged as "science."
But Arach claims to be a Christian, if so, why does he believe the origins theory that all atheists believe?
Logically, atheists would never embrace anything that was intended as supporting God, and since all atheists support ToE and TEists like Arach: this logically proves Arach is not a real Christian because atheists would never support a real Christian.
Ray

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Message 20 of 301 (377436)
01-16-2007 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Cold Foreign Object
01-16-2007 5:43 PM


Re: Rationality and "Fervent" Christians (or "Christian, heal thyself!")
Invulnerable logic says any Creationist that an Evolutionist approves of is not a genuine Creationist; and when anyone is branded a loon by an Evolutionist this measns the exact opposite is true since evolutionists believe apes morphed into men and other assorted unscientific nonsense.
I don't know about "invulnerable logic", but common sense tells us that just because one is disliked by the ones that one dislikes, doesn't mean that one is doing something right. The enemy of my enemy, after all, might just be a bigger asshole than my enemies.
ToE = atheist philosophy packaged as "science."
Actually the theory of evolution = "the scientifically accepted explanation for the history and diversity of life on Earth as being descended with modification from a common ancestor by natural selection and random mutation."
But I appreciate that accurate definitions of words are not your strong suit.
But Arach claims to be a Christian, if so, why does he believe the origins theory that all atheists believe?
If atheists hate cancer, is Arach supposed to love it?
Did it ever occur to you that there might be a better way to determine what is true about the world than simply to believe the exact opposite of what the people you hate believe?

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Message 21 of 301 (377437)
01-16-2007 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by crashfrog
01-16-2007 6:12 PM


NOT the place for this discussion
Do not continue in the vane.

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arachnophilia
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Message 22 of 301 (377489)
01-17-2007 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Cold Foreign Object
01-16-2007 5:43 PM


Re: Rationality and "Fervent" Christians (or "Christian, heal thyself!")
Invulnerable logic says any Creationist that an Evolutionist approves of is not a genuine Creationist;
i rest my case. the lunatics run the assylum.
and when anyone is branded a loon by an Evolutionist this measns the exact opposite is true since evolutionists believe apes morphed into men and other assorted unscientific nonsense.
enraged ranting caused by an inability to refute.
Could we expect a Darwinist to say or believe anything else?
predictable and programmed ray martinez response, might as well be canned. inability to refute.
ToE = atheist philosophy packaged as "science."
could we expect a pyramidologist and fundamentalist to say or believe anything else?
But Arach claims to be a Christian, if so, why does he believe the origins theory that all atheists believe?
Logically, atheists would never embrace anything that was intended as supporting God, and since all atheists support ToE and TEists like Arach: this logically proves Arach is not a real Christian because atheists would never support a real Christian.
ad hominems = inability to refute. more paranoid delusions and failed attempts at logic by a rabid pyramid-cultist.


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Message 23 of 301 (377613)
01-17-2007 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by arachnophilia
01-17-2007 1:48 AM


Re: Rationality and "Fervent" Christians (or "Christian, heal thyself!")
Arach writes:
i rest my case. the lunatics run the assylum.
All sentences begin with a capital letter and "asylum" has only one "s".
Since you believe apes morphed into men your uneducated status is explained. So is your belief that those who do not believe in the miracle to be "lunatics."
We (= creationists) do not run the EvC Forum. Persons who believe apes morphed into men run the EvC asylum.
Do you understand?
Ray

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arachnophilia
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Message 24 of 301 (377616)
01-17-2007 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Cold Foreign Object
01-17-2007 5:03 PM


Re: Rationality and "Fervent" Christians (or "Christian, heal thyself!")
All sentences begin with a capital letter
semantic nitpicks = inability to refute.
and "asylum" has only one "s".
yes, but "ass" has two.
Since you believe apes morphed into men your uneducated status is explained. So is your belief that those who do not believe in the miracle to be "lunatics."
enraged ranting of a paranoid pyramid cultist = inability to refute.
We (= creationists) do not run the EvC Forum.
you demand to be catered to, that creationism be given a "sweetheart pass" when it is an unscientific theological belief. we lower our standards of evidence to allow debate where no debate exists. you "run" evc because unless we condescend to your standards, we are "unfair."
Persons who believe apes morphed into men run the EvC asylum.
conspiracy theory, distortions, and martyrdom delusions = inability to refute.
Do you understand?
no, ray, i don't understand you at all.
Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.


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Message 25 of 301 (377626)
01-17-2007 6:07 PM


Topic Drift Alert!
This thread is for raising moderation issues.
Ray, you're restricted to Showcase and the board administration forums because you have over time proven unreceptive to the requests of moderators. Please contribute here on a constructive basis if you wish to retain your permissions for these board administration forums.
Arach, you've made your point, please stop instigating. If you wish to engage Ray in a constructive discussion of issues related to board moderation then that would be fine.

--Percy
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Message 26 of 301 (377628)
01-17-2007 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by crashfrog
01-16-2007 6:12 PM


Questions
Ray writes:
But Arach claims to be a Christian, if so, why does he believe the origins theory that all atheists believe?
Crashfrog responding writes:
If atheists hate cancer, is Arach supposed to love it?
The issue was origins and only origins.
Again, how could a Christian and Atheist agree on origins?
Answer: One is not genuinely as such?
Crasfrog writes:
Did it ever occur to you that there might be a better way to determine what is true about the world than simply to believe the exact opposite of what the people you hate believe?
You are mistaken.
At issue was how could a Christian and Atheist agree on origins. Logically, the Christian is not a real Christian if they agree with the Atheist on origins.
Christians believe a Resurrection miracle took place, if true, why not special creation miracles?
Evolution says miracles do not exist.
Are you saying a claim of Christianity is off limits to decide when the claimant believes in ToE?
Ray

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Message 27 of 301 (377631)
01-17-2007 6:16 PM
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01-17-2007 6:07 PM


Re: Topic Drift Alert!
Admin:
My last post was posted not knowing about this post, sorry.
Ray

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Message 28 of 301 (377634)
01-17-2007 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by arachnophilia
01-17-2007 5:14 PM


Re: Rationality and "Fervent" Christians (or "Christian, heal thyself!")
Arach:
I have two questions:
Since the Moderators that have restricted me are Darwinists, and I am a Creationist, can you not see that this is about as objective as a Judge deciding a case involving his ex-wife?
Why don't you advocate a unrestricted status for me and show some objectivity? (a negative response indicates fear regardless of what you might say)
Ray

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arachnophilia
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Message 29 of 301 (377638)
01-17-2007 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Cold Foreign Object
01-17-2007 6:25 PM


Re: Rationality and "Fervent" Christians (or "Christian, heal thyself!")
Since the Moderators that have restricted me are Darwinists, and I am a Creationist, can you not see that this is about as objective as a Judge deciding a case involving his ex-wife?
as per your logic, all admins on this site are "darwinist," even the creationist ones like nemesis, (formerly faith,) phat, etc. they don't count because they get along with darwinists. you define the group, and then claim bias. that was my original point -- we can never have a truly creationist admin, who is accepted as a christian by the fundamentalists members of this board unless we have nothing but creationist admins. any signs of rational discourse, agreement, or getting along with "darwinists" will be seen as invalidating their creationist status.
Why don't you advocate a unrestricted status for me and show some objectivity?
i have, ray. i think the showcase is stupid, and i have said as much. i have also argued on behalf of every major fundamentalist member of this board when they have been banned or threatened with bans. that probably includes you, ray. it certainly includes randman, faith, and buzsaw.


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Message 30 of 301 (377641)
01-17-2007 6:53 PM
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01-17-2007 6:25 PM


Re: Rationality and "Fervent" Christians (or "Christian, heal thyself!")
Since the Moderators that have restricted me are Darwinists, and I am a Creationist, can you not see that this is about as objective as a Judge deciding a case involving his ex-wife?
Well, Ray, what about all those other creationists who are not[/i] restricted? How is it that the supposedly biased moderators let them slip through their net? Could it be that these other creationist members (most of the time) actually participate in constructive debate or at least try to?
You fail to see that you are restricted because of your own particular debating style (or lack thereof) and this only confirms everyone else's view that you are unwilling to accept criticism or any form of real debate and you really just want to play the martyr.

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